Transient conductive heat flow using finite element method

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The discussion revolves around the application of the finite element method (FEM) to analyze transient conductive heat flow around circular and square concrete piles in soil. Participants explore methods to approximate heat flux from temperature gradients during a thermal loading cycle over a test period.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on approximating heat flux/heat flux density from a temperature gradient, given thermal properties of the materials involved.
  • Another participant suggests that heat flux can be calculated as the product of thermal conductivity and temperature gradient, but questions whether convection complicates this relationship.
  • A different participant expresses concern about the applicability of the basic heat equation due to the nonlinear nature of the temperature gradient and questions if the equation is only valid for steady-state conditions.
  • In response, a participant clarifies that the heat equation is applicable for transient conditions as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best approach to calculate heat flux, with participants presenting differing views on the applicability of the heat equation and the influence of convection.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the nonlinear temperature gradient and the transient nature of the thermal loading cycle, which may affect the validity of certain equations used in the analysis.

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I'm looking at project investigating thermal dissiplation around circular and square concrete piles, resting in a homogeneous material (soil) using two-dimensional finite element analysis.

I'm applying a transient thermal loading cycle to the centre of the concrete pile over a 7-day test period. At the end of the test cycle, I am able to plot a horizontal temperature gradient in the soil surrounding the pile. However, I was wondering if there is a means by which I can approximate the heat flux/heat flux density from the temperature graident, given the thermal conductivity, heat capacity and material density?

The main problem that I have is that magnitude of the applied load is varied between 12-25[tex]^{o}[/tex]C over the course of the test cycle.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. . .
 
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I'm surprised your finite element software doesn't do this, but isn't the heat flux just equal to
(thermal conductivity) x (temperature gradient)
?

Or is there convection involved? That would complicate the equation.
 
My initial thought was that I could simply use the basic heat equation by taking the average gradient. The problem is that the temperature gradient is nonlinear.

Furthermore, does the equation not only relate to steady state conditions?

Anyway, I am dealing purely with conduction if that helps.

I've attached a typical temperature gradient from my FE program.
 

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rgh107 said:
Furthermore, does the equation not only relate to steady state conditions?

No, it applies for transient conditions too.
 

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