Translation operator on ground state

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The discussion revolves around a time-independent perturbation problem in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on calculating the first-order correction to the energy of the ground state due to a perturbation operator involving exponential terms. The context is set within the framework of a harmonic oscillator.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of the perturbation operator and its implications on the ground state energy. Questions arise regarding the role of the exponential terms and their representation in terms of creation and annihilation operators. Some participants express uncertainty about the contribution of the perturbation to the energy correction and the behavior of odd functions in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants clarifying the specifics of the perturbation and its mathematical representation. Some have suggested that the first-order terms may vanish due to symmetry considerations, while others are focused on understanding the implications of second-order terms. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of position representation and the expansion of the perturbation in terms of power series.

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There are indications of missing information regarding the complete setup of the problem, and participants are questioning the assumptions related to the perturbation's form and its effects on the ground state energy. The nature of the perturbation as an odd function is also under discussion, which may influence the calculations.

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Homework Statement


I am working through a time independent perturbation problem and I am calculating the first order correction to the energy, and I am stuck operating the perturbation : v = i b (Exp[i g x]-Exp[-i g x]) on the ground state |0>.

Homework Equations


<0| v |0> = 1st order correction

The Attempt at a Solution


I need to be able to operate the exponential on the ground state.
I did turn the exponentials in X into terms of creation and annilation operators.
 
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What kind of system are you talking about, harmonic oscillator? I just want to clarify, is that perturbation term you have there the only one or are there actually another perturbation?
Lawrencel2 said:
I did turn the exponentials in X into terms of creation and annilation operators.
If exp(igx) is a translation operator in space then g is the one as an operator while x is just a number.
 
Guess it's x that is the operator and yes it's a harmonic oscillator and the perturbation is a trig function. But if I write it as an exponential I get the x in exponential. I can write it as a combination of creation and Annihilation operators, then separate them. But how do these act on the ground state
 
Guess it's x that is the operator and yes it's a harmonic oscillator and the perturbation is a trig function. But if I write it as an exponential I get the x in exponential. I can write it as a combination of creation and Annihilation operators, then separate them. But how do these act on the ground state
 
What does the question ask precisely? Is that the only thing the question asks you to calculate? I have got a feeling that that perturbation term doesn't actually contribute anything to the energy of the ground state.
 
the perturbation is in the form of v sin(cx). I need to calculate the lowest non vanishing term to the energy of the ground state.. I am assuming that the nature of sine being an odd function will make first order terms disappear, but not the second order terms.
 
Lawrencel2 said:
I need to calculate the lowest non vanishing term to the energy of the ground state.
Alright, now it's clear what the problem actually wants you to show.
Lawrencel2 said:
Im assuming that the nature of sine being an odd function will make first order terms disappear,
You know the answer already, so in which part of the problem you are still having trouble with?
If you know the position representation of ##|0\rangle##, you can compute <0|v|0> in the integral form. If the problem ask you to proceed using raising and lowering operator, then it's better to expand v in terms of power series of x.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Alright, now it's clear what the problem actually wants you to show.

You know the answer already, so in which part of the problem you are still having trouble with?
If you know the position representation of ##|0\rangle##, you can compute <0|v|0> in the integral form. If the problem ask you to proceed using raising and lowering operator, then it's better to expand v in terms of power series of x.
right. The First order terms disappear. But the second order terms are the ones I'm worried about now.
Σ(|<m| v |0>|^2)/(Em-Eo)
 
I haven't tried to work that one out yet, but if the problem only asked you to identify the first non-vanishing perturbation order, without requiring the closed form answer, you can use merely mathematical reasoning. Notice that all terms in that series is positive, so there is no chance for two or more terms to cancel each other. Second since the series runs over all eigenstates, the ones that contribute are those which have opposite parity as |0>. Thus all terms being summed will give value greater than zero.
Otherwise, you have to go to the math using the raising and lowering operators.
 

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