Transmutation: Myth or Reality?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of transmutation, particularly in the context of alchemy and its historical significance. Participants explore whether transmutation is a mythological idea or a legitimate scientific process of changing elements, with references to both ancient practices and modern chemistry.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the nature of transmutation, wondering if it is merely a mythological concept or a genuine process of changing elements.
  • Others reference alchemy's historical goals, specifically the pursuit of an immortality potion and the transformation of lead into gold.
  • One participant claims that the transformation of lead into gold has been accomplished, while another suggests that it is economically unfeasible compared to mining gold from ores.
  • There is a discussion about the historical context of alchemy, noting its evolution into modern chemistry and its contributions to various scientific techniques and compounds.
  • Some participants highlight the dual nature of alchemy, encompassing both practical scientific endeavors and mythical or spiritual elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and historical context of transmutation, with no consensus on whether it is a myth or a reality. The discussion includes both supportive and skeptical perspectives regarding the accomplishments of alchemy.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical figures and practices without resolving the complexities of alchemical processes or the definitions of transmutation. The discussion reflects a blend of scientific and mythological interpretations.

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what is it exactly? is it some sort of mythological thing because of symbols? or is it just simply changing elements into different ones like gases and liquids?
 
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all i know about alchemy is from paolo coelho's book, the alchemist. it's supposed to be an ancient art with two main objectives, still not yet accomplished. these are:
1) making the immortality potion
2) turning lead into gold
 
#2 has been accomplished
 
What he said, although it would probably be cheaper to buy gold then use a series of nuclear processes to produce it from lead.
 
Yes, it is definitely MUCH more expensive to synthetically produce gold from lead then extract it from its ores.

Although Kushal accurately cites two of the most important goals of alchemy, you can basically look at alchemy as a precursor to modern chemistry. It also utilized many other sciences. It probably was first practiced in ancient Egypt and slowly spread throughout the Eurasian continent and was still practiced in Europe even in the 1700/1800s.

Many important lab techniques were developed through alchemy such as distillation. The alchemists also synthesized many chemicals that are commonplace today like sulfuric, nitric, and hydrochloric acids, along with ethanol, potash, and saltpeter.

Of course, there was also the mythical and spiritual side of alchemy. Alchemy was kind of like science, religion, and art all melded into one practice.

Some interesting alchemists:
Jabir ibn Hayyan
Hening Brandt
Isaac Newton

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They used what they had to produce useful compounds, and other not so useful ones.
 
AbedeuS said:
What he said, although it would probably be cheaper to buy gold then use a series of nuclear processes to produce it from lead.

If it wasn't then we would have massive amounts produced and the price of gold would thus be driven down.
 

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