Triangle inequality in b-metric spaces

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The discussion revolves around the properties of b-metric spaces, specifically focusing on the triangle inequality in the context of b-metrics defined on the space \( l_p \) for \( 0 < p < 1 \). Participants seek to prove the triangle inequality and clarify related mathematical concepts.

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  • Some participants define a b-metric and note that it extends the usual metric space definition.
  • A hint is provided to prove that for all \( x, y, z \in l_p \) with \( 0 < p < 1 \), the inequality \( d(x,z) \le 2^{1/p}[d(x,y) + d(y,z)] \) holds.
  • Several participants express difficulty in understanding the proof and request assistance in writing it out.
  • One participant outlines a proof approach using properties of convex functions and inequalities related to \( l_p \) spaces.
  • Another participant questions the validity of a step in the proof, leading to a clarification about the conditions under which certain inequalities hold.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the inequalities and how they relate to the triangle inequality in b-metric spaces.

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Participants generally agree on the need to prove the triangle inequality for b-metrics, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the proof steps or the correctness of certain inequalities presented.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the application of specific inequalities and the assumptions required for their validity. There are unresolved questions about the implications of certain mathematical steps in the proof.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in the properties of b-metric spaces, particularly in the context of functional analysis and metric space theory.

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Let $X$ be a non-empty set and let $s\ge1$ be a given real number. A function $d:$ X $\times$ X$\to$ ${R}^{+}$ , is called a b-metric provided that, for all x,y,z $\in$ X,

1) d(x,y)=0 iff x=y,
2)d(x,y)=d(y,x),
3)d(x,z)$\le$s[d(x,y)+d(y,z)].

A pair (X,d) is called b-metric space. İt is clear that definition of b-metric space is a extension of usual metric space.

İn attachment, I didnt prove triangle inequality, please help me...thank you for your attention :)

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Hint: prove that for all $$x,y,z\in l_p$$ with $$(0<p<1),$$ we have $$d(x,z)\le 2^{1/p}\left[d(x,y)+d(y,z)\right].$$
 
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yes we get this...But I didnt prove...Please can you write this and send me ? thank you for your attention :)
 
ozkan12 said:
yes we get this...But I didnt prove...Please can you write this and send me ? thank you for your attention :)

Using the following results you'll easily prove it.

1. If $0<p<1$ then $(a+b)^p\le a^p+b^p$ for all $a,b\ge 0.$

2. If $0<p<1$ then $f(t)=t^{1/p}$ is a convex funtion on $(0.+\infty)$ so $$\left(\frac{1}{2}a+\frac{1}{2}b\right)^{1/p}\le \frac{1}{2}a^{1/p}+\frac{1}{2}b^{1/p}$$ As a consequence $$(a+b)^{1/p}\le 2^{1/p}(a^{1/p}+b^{1/p})\quad \forall a,b \ge 0.$$
 
Thank you so much, But I didnt understand this...
 
ozkan12 said:
Thank you so much, But I didnt understand this...

Let us see, 15:11 - 14:54 are equivalent to 17 minutes. You can't say that you don't understand, you need some more effort. Show some work and I'll help you.
 
Dear professor,

I worked on this topic...But I didn't come to consequence...:)
 
ozkan12 said:
Dear professor,

I worked on this topic...But I didn't come to consequence...:)
I am going to solve your question (only for this time) but you should understand that this is not the best way for learning.

Suppose $x=(x_n),$ $y=(y_n),$ $z=(z_n)$ are elements of $l_p$ with $0<p<1.$ Then, using $$\left|x_n-z_n\right|=\left|(x_n-y_n)+(y_n-z_n)\right| \le \left|x_n-y_n\right|+\left|y_n-z_n\right|,$$
$$d(x,z)=\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left|x_n-z_n\right|^p\right)^{1/p}\le \left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left(\left|x_n-y_n\right|+\left|y_n-z_n\right|\right)^p\right)^{1/p}.$$ Using $(a+b)^p\le a^p+b^p$ for every $a,b\ge 0,$
$$d(x,z)\le \left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left(\left|x_n-y_n\right|^p+\left|y_n-z_n\right|^p\right)\right)^{1/p}$$ $$=\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left|x_n-y_n\right|^p+\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left|y_n-z_n\right|^p\right)^{1/p}.$$
Using $(a+b)^{1/p}\le 2^{1/p}(a^{1/p}+b^{1/p})\quad \forall a,b \ge 0,$ $$d(x,z)\le 2^{1/p}\left(\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left|x_n-y_n\right|^p\right)^{1/p}+\left(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\left|y_n-z_n\right|^p\right)^{1/p}\right)$$
$$=d(x,y)+d(y,z).$$ That is, $d$ is an $s=2^{1/p}-$ metric.
 
Dear professor

I carried out this process...But I think this is false :) İndeed, this true :) Thank you so much...But in first post

How we get as a consequence

(a+b)^1/p ≤ 2^1/p (a^1/p+b^1/p )∀a,b≥0.

Thank you for your help dear professor, best wishes :)
 
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ozkan12 said:
How we get as a consequence (a+b)^1/p ≤ 2^1/p (a^1/p+b^1/p )∀a,b≥0.
$$\left(\frac{1}{2}a+\frac{1}{2}b\right)^{1/p}\le \frac{1}{2}a^{1/p}+\frac{1}{2}b^{1/p}$$ $$\Rightarrow \frac{1}{2^{1/p}}(a+b)^{1/p}\le \frac{1}{2}\left(a^{1/p}+b^{1/p}\right)\le a^{1/p}+b^{1/p}$$ $$\Rightarrow (a+b)^{1/p}\le 2^{1/p}(a^{1/p}+b^{1/p}).$$
 
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Dear professor,

Thank you for your attention and your help...But in

⇒1/2^1/p(a+b)^1/p≤1^2(a^1/p+b^1/p)≤a^1/p+b^1/p in second part I think 1/2 must be 1/2^1/p... İs it true ?
 
  • #12
ozkan12 said:
İs it true ?
No, it isn't.
 

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