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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (sin x tan x - 1)/(4x) as x approaches zero. Participants are exploring whether this limit is defined or undefined, with some expressing confusion about the implications of the -1 in the numerator.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are examining the limit's behavior from both sides of zero and questioning the continuity of the function at that point. There is a focus on clarifying the expression and its implications for the limit's existence.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing differing interpretations of the limit's behavior. Some have suggested that the limit may be undefined, while others are questioning the accuracy of graphical representations and calculations. Clarification on the specific function being analyzed is ongoing.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the correct formulation of the limit, with participants discussing potential missing parentheses that could alter the problem's nature. The original poster's teacher's stance on the limit being undefined is also under scrutiny.

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Could someone help me with this one. My teacher says I'm wrong when I solved this limit as undefined. thanks!

lim as x goes to zero of (sin x tan x -1)/4x
 
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If you mean (sin(x)tan(x)-1)/(4x), then it would be undefined. I have a feeling that the -1 is causing a problem since you may be missing parentheses that would change the problem and let a limit exist.
 
If the limit you are asking about is
[tex]\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{\sin x \tan x - 1}{4x}[/tex]
then the limit is undefined, and your teacher is wrong. The way to determine this is to look at the limit as x approaches 0 from the left and then from the right.

The limit of the numerator as x approaches 0 is -1. As x approaches 0 from the left, x is negative and so the limit will be positive infinity. As x approaches 0 from the right, x is positive, so you will get negative infinity. Therefore, the limit does not exist since the left and right handed limits aren't equal.
 
thanks for the responses but when i graph this function at 0 the function is zero. It looks like it is continuous and goes to zero from the left and right but i can't find a mathematical way to solve it.
 
Well you must have drawn the graph incorrectly. For example what value did you get for x=0.1 and x=-0.1?
 
for -.01 the limit is .0025 and for .01 the limit is -.0025. looking at a graphing calculator using the table function, it looks like it converges to 0.
 
I see, that means we're talking about different functions and so are the other posters in this thread.

The limits you describe correspond with the function:

[tex] x \left(\frac{\sin x \tan x -1}{4}\right)[/tex]

We assumed you meant:

[tex] \frac{\sin x \tan x - 1}{4x}[/tex]

Could you clarify which one it is?
 
my mistake on the calculator. it is definitely the second one. looking at the graph my teacher must be wrong (I hope!) thanks for your help!
 
If it's the second one then the limit does not exist.
 

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