Trigonometric simplification: -a*sin(wt) + w*cos(wt)

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of the expression b/(a² + ω²)(-a*sin(ω*t) + ω*cos(ω*t)) to the form (b/√(a² + ω²))*sin(ω*t + θ), where θ = tan^(-1)(-ω/a). Participants are seeking clarification on the steps involved in this trigonometric simplification, exploring different methods and approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the steps for simplifying the given equation and provides a numerical verification of the result.
  • Another participant suggests using the sine sum formula sin(ω*t + θ) = cos(θ)sin(ω*t) + sin(θ)cos(ω*t) to derive the simplification, indicating that xcos(θ) = -a and xsin(θ) = ω.
  • A different approach is proposed involving complex exponentials, which some participants believe may simplify the process, although it is noted that this method does not necessarily make the problem easier.
  • One participant reiterates the simplification steps and highlights a potential issue with the quadrant of θ, suggesting that θ is not the principal value, which could be relevant to the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the form of the simplification but present different methods and approaches to reach it. There is no consensus on the best method or the implications of the quadrant of θ.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about trigonometric identities and the properties of angles in different quadrants, which may affect the interpretation of θ. Some steps in the simplification process remain unresolved or are subject to different interpretations.

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I'm trying to figure out the steps required to do the following simplification:

This equation:
b/(a^2+ ω^2 )*(-a*sin(ω*t)+ω*cos(ω*t))

can be simplified to the following:
(b/√(a^2+ ω^2 ))*sin(ω*t+ θ)
θ= tan^(-1) (- ω/a)

I can numerically verify that this is true but I am having trouble figuring out the steps to do this simplification. Any help would be greatly appreciated. See attached .doc file for a cleaner presentation of the equations.
 

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SubtleAphex said:
I'm trying to figure out the steps required to do the following simplification:

This equation:
b/(a^2+ ω^2 )*(-a*sin(ω*t)+ω*cos(ω*t))

can be simplified to the following:
(b/√(a^2+ ω^2 ))*sin(ω*t+ θ)
θ= tan^(-1) (- ω/a)

I can numerically verify that this is true but I am having trouble figuring out the steps to do this simplification. Any help would be greatly appreciated. See attached .doc file for a cleaner presentation of the equations.

For this problem use the sin sum formula sin(ω*t+θ)=cos(θ)sin(ω*t)+sin(θ)cos(ω*t), where xcos(θ)=-a and xsin(θ)=ω. You then need to to solve for x and θ.
 
The other way to solve it, and many similar problems, is to write it in terms of complex exponentials. This isn't really any simpler, but it eliminates the need to memorize a million trig identities.
 
SubtleAphex said:
I'm trying to figure out the steps required to do the following simplification:

This equation:
b/(a^2+ ω^2 )*(-a*sin(ω*t)+ω*cos(ω*t))

can be simplified to the following:
(b/√(a^2+ ω^2 ))*sin(ω*t+ θ)
θ= tan^(-1) (- ω/a)

I can numerically verify that this is true but I am having trouble figuring out the steps to do this simplification. Any help would be greatly appreciated. See attached .doc file for a cleaner presentation of the equations.

Write it like this:

[tex]\frac{b}{a^2+\omega^2}\left(-a\sin(\omega t)+\omega\sin(\omega t)\right)<br /> =<br /> \frac b {\sqrt{a^2+\omega^2}}\left(\frac{-a}{\sqrt{a^2+\omega^2}}\sin(\omega t)<br /> +\frac{\omega}{\sqrt{a^2+\omega^2}}\cos(\omega t)\right)[/tex]

Now, if you draw an angle in the second quadrant whose tangent is -ω/a you will see that the above expression becomes

[tex]\frac b {\sqrt{a^2+\omega^2}}\left(cos(\theta)\sin(\omega t)<br /> +\sin(\theta)\cos(\omega t)\right)=\frac b {\sqrt{a^2+\omega^2}}\sin(\omega t+\theta)[/tex]

My only quarrel with the formula is that θ, being in the second quadrant, is not the principal value, which may not matter.
 

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