Trinometry question(prove RHS=LHS)

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The problem involves proving the equality between the right-hand side and left-hand side of the equation: tan(3π/11) + 4(sin(2π/11) = √11. The subject area is trigonometry, specifically dealing with tangent and sine functions at specific angles.

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  • Participants discuss various identities and transformations related to tangent and sine functions. Some suggest using known trigonometric identities and relationships, while others express uncertainty about how to begin or proceed with the proof.

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Homework Statement


tan(3pi/11) + 4(sin(2pi/11) = root(11)
(umm i don't know how to do symbols sorry)
pi=3.141... the number
and root = under-root(to the power of 1/2)

Homework Equations


umm i have no clue what to put here

The Attempt at a Solution


Ya see this is the thing
I don't want you guys to solve it(for now at least till I try it)
but i have absolutely no clue on how to start for this thing can someone please point me in the right direction)
Thanks
 
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I'm not sure if the following will help or not.

[tex]\tan(3x) =\frac{\sin(6x)}{\cos(6x)+1}\quad\to\quad\tan(3\pi/11) =\frac{\sin(6\pi/11)}{\cos(6\pi/11)+1}[/tex]

[tex]\sin\left(\frac{6\pi}{11}\right)=\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}-\frac{6\pi}{11}\right)=\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{22}\right)[/tex]

Similarly, [tex]\cos\left(\frac{6\pi}{11}\right)=\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{22}\right)[/tex]


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Your gerring a number, so my feelings tell me that you will get something like a sin^2+cos^2 of something.
 
√(11) > 1 so it's more involved than simply sin2(a) + cos2(a)

The trigonometric expression OP is asked to prove is mentioned by Eric Weisstein in the following http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TrigonometryAnglesPi11.html" . (Expression (13), near the bottom.)

Added in Edit: Expression (12) is even more interesting. Also see (10) & (11).
 
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There is a coefficient of 4 in there. I am not saying that it will be easy to get to...
 
Going a bit further:

[tex]\tan\left(\frac{3\pi}{11}\right)<br /> =\frac{\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{22}\right)}{1+\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{22}\right)}<br /> =\frac{\sqrt{\frac{1-\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)}{2}}}{1+\sqrt{\frac{1+\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)}{2}}}<br /> =\frac{\sqrt{1-\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)}}{\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{1+\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)}}[/tex]

This gets the tangent portion into a form with arguments of π/11 .

The other portion is: [tex]4\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{11}\right)=8\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)[/tex].
 
I found the following on Wikipedia, immediately before the "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trigonometric_identities#Computing_.CF.80"" section:
[tex]\prod_{k=1}^{m} \tan\left(\frac{k\pi}{2m+1}\right) = \sqrt{2m+1}[/tex]​
Which implies that for m = 5, we have:
[tex]\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{2\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{3\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{4\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{5\pi}{11}\right)=\sqrt{11}[/tex]​
So, prove the above identity, and then show that:
[tex] \tan\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{2\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{3\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{4\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{5\pi}{11}\right)=\tan\left(\frac{3\pi}{11}\right)+\,4\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{11}\right)[/tex]​

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This is equivalent to:
[tex] \tan\left(\frac{\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{2\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{4\pi}{11}\right)\cdot \tan\left(\frac{5\pi}{11}\right)=1+\,\frac{4\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{11}\right)}{\tan\left(\frac{3\pi}{11}\right)}[/tex]​

It seems promising to write each tan function on the left as sin/cos, then use product to sum identities & make use of symmetry.
 
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An approach might be that:

[tex]\frac{3\pi}{11}= \frac{2\pi}{11} + \frac{\pi}{11}[/tex]

and apply trig identities from there.
 

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