Trouble with infinity and complex numbers

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of infinity and complex numbers, particularly in the context of set theory, plotting functions, and dimensionality. Participants explore the nature of complex numbers, their representation, and the implications of plotting functions with complex domains and ranges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a set similar to the real number interval (<-∞, ∞>) exists for complex numbers.
  • Another participant clarifies that complex numbers can be represented as a+bi, but cautions that infinity is not a number.
  • There are discussions about the dimensionality required for plotting functions with complex variables, with some suggesting four dimensions for functions of two complex variables.
  • One participant asserts that for complex numbers, there is only one imaginary axis, while for quaternions and octonions, there are multiple imaginary axes.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the Riemann sphere as a way to incorporate infinity in complex analysis.
  • There are differing views on how to graph complex-valued functions, with suggestions for using vector fields or three-dimensional representations.
  • Some participants express confusion about the dimensionality needed for certain functions, leading to corrections and clarifications about the number of dimensions required.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the dimensionality of complex functions and the nature of infinity in relation to complex numbers. No consensus is reached on these points, and multiple competing views remain.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about dimensionality and the nature of infinity that are not fully resolved. The conversation also touches on advanced mathematical concepts that may depend on specific definitions or contexts.

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Trouble with infinity and complex numbers, just curious.
Summary: Trouble with infinity and complex numbers, just curious.

I'm not too familiar with set theory ... but <-∞, ∞> contains just real numbers?
Does something similar to <-∞, ∞> exist in Complex numbers?
My question, is it "wrong"?
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Yup, using your nomenclature, it would be (<-∞, ∞>, <-∞, ∞>).
Or a+bi where a and b are real numbers.

But one item of caution: ∞ is not a number - real or otherwise.
 
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Thanks...
And further.. when plotting functions with a imaginary axis... there can be more imaginary axis' than one I guess..
 
Troxx said:
Thanks...
And further.. when plotting functions with a imaginary axis... there can be more imaginary axis' than one I guess..
If you are plotting a function with both a complex range and domain, you would need four dimensions: a+bi=f(c+di) - one each for a, b, c, and d with b and d being imaginary axis. Of course, drawing in four dimensions requires some creativity.
 
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Troxx said:
Thanks...
And further.. when plotting functions with a imaginary axis... there can be more imaginary axis' than one I guess..
For complex numbers there is only one imaginary axis, for quarternions there are three and for octonions there are seven.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octonion
 
.Scott said:
If you are plotting a function with both a complex range and domain, you would need four dimensions: a+bi=f(c+di) - one each for a, b, c, and d with b and d being imaginary axis. Of course, drawing in four dimensions requires some creativity.
If you are going to build a graph, you need four dimensions for the domain and another two for the range.
 
The thing is that there is a different way of "Approaching Infinity" as you have additional dimensions. In ##\mathbb R## , as you pointed out, you go along the +, - x-axis far right or left respectively. In , e.g., ## \mathbb R^2 ##, your set is unbounded if it is not contained in a ball of finite radius r. Similar in higher dimensions, where being contained in a ball of finite radius is equivalent to being bounded, while you "Go to infinity" by not being contained in balls of finite radius.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
If you are going to build a graph, you need four dimensions for the domain and another two for the range.
Is this really what you meant? For a function ##f : \mathbb C \to \mathbb C##? You have an extra two dimensions. For the domain you need only two dimensions, not four.
 
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There is a lot of material on compactifications of 1,2, etc points.
 
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There is a way to "graph" a complex valued function similar to the way we graph a 2D vector field in just 2 dimensions. That is at every point of the domain (x,y) we plot an arrow which represents a vector that has its y-component equal to the Imaginary part of f(x+iy) and its x-component equal to the Real part of f(x+iy). I know this is not exactly a graph as we usually mean it but anyway..

Alternatively we can use 3 dimensions (where the z axis represent the real or the imaginary part of f(x+iy) )and do two graphs, one for the imaginary part and one for the real part.
 
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Mark44 said:
Is this really what you meant? For a function ##f : \mathbb C \to \mathbb C##? You have an extra two dimensions. For the domain you need only two dimensions, not four.
Oops. I'd misread a function of two complex arguments.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Oops. I'd misread a function of two complex arguments.
I thought that might be it.
 

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