Troubleshooting Buffer Solution Titration | Identifying Unknown Buffer in Lab"

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the identification of an unknown buffer solution through titration with NaOH and HCl in a laboratory setting. Participants explore the methodology used to determine the pKa value and the implications of their findings, as well as the interpretation of the lab instructions regarding the neutralization process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports a pKa value of 4.52 derived from titration data but struggles to identify the corresponding buffer, noting a Ka value of 3E-5.
  • Another participant questions whether there is a predefined list of buffers to choose from, suggesting that the unknown could be any buffer.
  • A participant describes their titration process, detailing the volumes of NaOH and HCl used and the calculations performed to arrive at the pKa value using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.
  • There is a discussion about the term "neutralize the buffer," with participants seeking clarification on its meaning in the context of the lab instructions.
  • One participant explains that the process involved shifting the pH of the buffer rather than achieving a neutral solution, which leads to a discussion about the terminology used in the lab manual.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the identification of the buffer and the interpretation of the lab instructions. There is no consensus on the terminology used to describe the titration process, and multiple interpretations of "neutralization" are present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the lab instructions and the lack of a definitive list of buffers, which may affect the identification process. The calculations and assumptions made during the titration are also not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators involved in laboratory work related to buffer solutions, titration techniques, and the interpretation of lab instructions in a chemistry context.

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This isn't really a homework problem. In lab we had an unknown buffer solution and we had to to titrate it with NaOH and HCl to try to identify what the buffer is. In the end I got my pka value equal to 4.52 I can't identify the buffer. My Ka is 3E-5 and I can't match any Ka values to this. Did I just totally screw up my lab??
 
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Is there a list of buffers that you have to select from? Or can it be anything?
 
Nope, we weren't given a list to choose from so I'm guessing it could be anything?
 
Probably. Although some compounds are much more likely than others.

How did you get your pKa?
 
I required 19.92 mL of NaOH to neutralize a 10 mL portion of my buffer. I did the same thing using another 10 mL portion of the buffer but this time with HCl and it took me 17 mL.

I then used the henderson-hasselbalch equation to find my pKa. I measured my pH of my buffer with a pH meter and got it to be 4.40.

I had already standardized my acid and base previously and got 0.1472 M NaOH and 0.1325 M HCl. Also I made sure to change the ml to L for the following calculations.

For the concentration of my base and acid I did this:


[A] = (19.92 ml NaOH x 0.1472 M NaOH)/10 mL = 0.293
= (17ml HCl x 0.1325 M HCl)/10 ml =0.225

4.40= pka + log [0.225]/[0.293]

pka= 4.52
 
Posted something before thinking it was right... still wrong.
 
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kooombaya said:
I required 19.92 mL of NaOH to neutralize a 10 mL portion of my buffer. I did the same thing using another 10 mL portion of the buffer but this time with HCl and it took me 17 mL.

What do you mean by "neutralize the buffer"?
 
Borek said:
What do you mean by "neutralize the buffer"?

This was how the question was stated in the lab book.
I found out what I did wrong by the way. Thanks for your time.
 
kooombaya said:
This was how the question was stated in the lab book.

Can you explain what they meant? I have never seen something like that, even if it is wrong, I have nothing against knowing.
 
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Borek said:
Can you explain what they meant? I have never seen something like that, even if it is wrong, I have nothing against knowing.

From what I understood it goes something like this:
Say we added 10 mL of 0.1 M NaOH. Then this is the amount of acid in the buffer solution that reacted with the NaOH to reach a new equivalence point.
It's the same for HCl, except the HCl acts with the base in the buffer solution to reach a new equivalence point.
 
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So it was just shifting pH of the buffer by addition of strong acid or base. There was an acid base reaction involved (which can be technically called neutralization), but it didn't end with neutral solution.

Not the best wording if you ask me.

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Borek said:
So it was just shifting pH of the buffer by addition of strong acid or base. There was an acid base reaction involved (which can be technically called neutralization), but it didn't end with neutral solution.

Not the best wording if you ask me.
Yup exactly. Thanks again.
 

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