Truck brakes and the distance they travel

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the braking distance of a truck on a gravel ramp. The ramp has a slight upward slope and a specific coefficient of friction, and the problem requires calculating the length of the ramp needed to stop the truck given its mass and initial speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between work and energy, specifically how to equate the work done by friction and gravitational potential energy to the kinetic energy of the truck. There are attempts to formulate the correct equations and clarify the variables involved, including questions about the height in relation to the ramp's angle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's formulations and clarifying concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of energy and the correct setup of the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the final form of the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through potential confusion regarding angles and variables, with one participant acknowledging a mix-up with a different problem's angle. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct parameters are used in the equations.

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Homework Statement



Truck brakes can fail if they get too hot. In some mountainous areas, ramps of loose gravel are constructed to stop runaway trucks that have lost their brakes. The combination of a slight upward slope and a large coefficient of friction in the gravel brings the truck safely to a halt. Suppose a gravel ramp slopes upward at 7.90° and the coefficient of friction is 0.380. Find the length of a ramp that will stop a 15222.0 kg truck that enters the ramp at 37.0 m/s.

Homework Equations


E=0.5mv2
Work= Fd
Ffriction = \mumgcos\vartheta

The Attempt at a Solution



i equated the work equation to the energy one to form Fd=0.5mv2. for F I substituted this equation :
Ffriction = \mumgcos\vartheta and solved for distance... and I'm not getting the answer would love any help given thanks :))
 
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brunettegurl said:

The Attempt at a Solution



i equated the work equation to the energy one to form Fd=0.5mv2. for F I substituted this equation :
Ffriction = \mumgcos\vartheta and solved for distance... and I'm not getting the answer would love any help given thanks :))

The truck also gains some gravitational PE, which has to be taken into account.
 
so would the equation look like Fd= 0.5mv2+ mgh ?? what would h be equal to ??
 
brunettegurl said:
so would the equation look like Fd= 0.5mv2+ mgh ?? what would h be equal to ??

A slight modification.

1/2*m*v2 is your energy budget.

m*g*h will be what goes to gravity

μ*m*g*cos7.90°*d is what goes to friction

Sin7.90° = h/d

h = d*sin7.90°
 
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so then wld the overall equation look like ::0.5mv2+mgdsin28.5 = μmgcos28.5d?
 
brunettegurl said:
so then wld the overall equation look like ::0.5mv2+mgdsin28.5 = μmgcos28.5d?

Not quite.

It's conservation of energy. Put yourself in the instant the truck starts up the ramp.

What is the total energy? I know you know it's 1/2*m*v2

Now consider what happens to that energy by the time it stops.

Some goes to the friction of the lovely gravel. Call that Work of Friction. And some goes to increasing the gravitational potential.

KE = PE_g + W_friction
 
LowlyPion said:
μ*m*g*cos28.5*d is what goes to friction

Sin28.5 = h/d

h = d*sin28.5

Err...what is 28.5? Am I missing something very obvious? :redface:
 
Shooting Star said:
Err...what is 28.5? Am I missing something very obvious? :redface:

Why yes. Something very obvious.

You are missing that this is the angle in another problem that I had helped with elsewhere and unnecessarily carried into this one through total carelessness, in not just writing θ or double checking to see what the θ of this incline was.

Thanks for the catch.

I'll fix it immediately to minimize further confusion.
 
k i just want to make sure my form is right ::

0.5*m*v2 = mgdsin7.90 + μmgcos7.90*d ... does that look right??
 
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brunettegurl said:
k i just want to make sure my form is right ::

0.5*m*v2 = mgdsin7.90 + μmgcos7.90*d ... does that look right??

Yes. That looks good.
 

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