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The discussion revolves around the gravitational interaction between the Earth and the Moon, specifically addressing why the Earth does not appear to move despite the Moon exerting a force on it. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational forces, orbital mechanics, and the effects of these forces, such as tides.

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  • Some participants question why the Earth does not move if the Moon exerts a force on it, referencing Newton's second law (F=ma).
  • Others suggest that the net force acting on the Earth is influenced more significantly by the Sun's gravitational force than by the Moon's.
  • One participant explains that the Earth does move in response to the Moon's gravitational pull, but the movement is minimal due to the Earth's larger mass compared to the Moon.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of the center of mass and how both the Earth and Moon orbit around this point, leading to observable effects such as the wobbling of stars due to orbiting planets.
  • Participants highlight the tidal effects caused by the Moon's gravitational attraction, explaining how water on Earth experiences different accelerations, resulting in tidal bulges.
  • One participant introduces the idea of centripetal force and tangential velocity in the context of the Moon's orbit around the Earth.
  • Another mentions the Earth-Moon barycenter, noting its location relative to the Earth's center of mass.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the gravitational interactions involved. While some agree on the existence of gravitational effects and their implications, there is no consensus on the specifics of how these forces operate or their relative significance.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about gravitational forces, the simplifications of orbital mechanics, and the complexities introduced by other celestial bodies like the Sun.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring gravitational physics, orbital mechanics, and the effects of celestial interactions, particularly in the context of Earth-Moon dynamics.

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If a force is exerted on the Earth by the moon, how come the Earth doesn't move? I don't get how this works with F=ma because shouldn't there be some acceleration caused the moon exerting an equal and opposite force on the earth?
 
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There is a force exerted to the Earth by the moon, but the net force results in the direction of the bigger force exerted to the Earth by the Sun.
 
ccmetz2020 said:
If a force is exerted on the Earth by the moon, how come the Earth doesn't move? I don't get how this works with F=ma because shouldn't there be some acceleration caused the moon exerting an equal and opposite force on the earth?

But the Earth DOES move as the result of the moon's attractive force.

Two objects attracting each other through the force of gravitation will typically orbit around their common center of mass.

Because the Earth is so much more massive than the Moon, it will go in an orbit of tiny extent around the center of mass, whereas the Moon will go in a fairly large orbit.

(The Sun complicates this simplified picture!)

The same holds true for a star with respective to a planet around it.
The star will WOBBLE a bit, as the result of the planet's effect on it, and this WOBBLING is detectable in how the wavelengths of the light emitted by the star looks like.

This is, in fact, the major means at our disposal to discover planets orbiting other stars in the universe.
 
Furthermore, the most spectacular effect of the Moon's attractive effect on the Earth are the tides.

The "loose" water facing the Moon is attracted more strongly than the Earth center, whereas the "loose" water on the backside of the Earth is attracted more weakly than the Earth's centre.

Therefore, the water's differing acceleration fromthe Earth centre, coupled with that the Earth's crust moves at the same speed as the Earth centre, results in bulges of water, one facing the Moon on one side of the Earth, another tidal bulge on the other side.
 
Orbital mechanics are complicated but the basic principle is centripetal force. The moon has tangential velocity so it is constantly falling toward the Earth without getting much closer or farther away (it is changing its orbit over very long periods of time, I think, getting farther out).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centripetal_force

You can swing a heavy object (carefully) around in a circle to get feel for the pull of the moon on the earth. The pull is necessary to keep the object moving in a circle (or general orbital path in more advanced studies).

Search online for Newton's Cannon to see how Newton compared the moon's orbit to a projectile fired from a mountain on Earth.
 
Read up on Earth Moon Barycenter.

The Earth-Moon system rotates around a point 4600 kiliometers from the Earth's center of mass - that's a point 1700km below the Earth's surface.
 
Awesome guys! I'll have to read up on some of this stuff! Thanks for the replies!
 

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