Tube End Forming - Rectangular to Circular

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The discussion revolves around the manufacturing of a transition tube that changes from a rectangular section to a circular section, specifically from a 4"x1" rectangular section to a 3" OD circular section. Participants explore various methods for achieving this transition, including hydraulic forming, welding, and alternative fabrication techniques. The material in question is stainless steel (304), and the discussion includes considerations of spring back and the feasibility of different approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a hydraulic press with custom end forming tools, mentioning the need for multiple stages in the forming process.
  • Another participant proposes the possibility of creating the part from welded sheet metal, likening it to a cone or funnel, but later expresses doubt about the feasibility of this method.
  • 3D printing the part and then casting copies in aluminum is suggested as an alternative approach.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of cold forming, specifically that the square tube may split before achieving the round shape and that some squareness may remain in the final product.
  • Several participants agree on the idea of making the transition piece as a welded fabrication, noting that this is a common practice in sheet metal fabrication shops.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to cut the corners of the rectangular section before forming to prevent material fractures, followed by welding to achieve the desired curvature.
  • Another participant inquires about the pressure and intended use of the part, suggesting that it could be a straightforward layout for someone skilled in TIG welding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that welded fabrication is a viable method for creating the transition piece, but there is no consensus on the best approach to forming the rectangular section into a circular one. Multiple competing views on the feasibility of different methods remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about spring back effects and the specific engineering requirements for successful forming. There are also unresolved considerations regarding the material properties and the potential for fractures during the forming process.

Neil Chheda
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Hi,

I wish to manufacture a transition tube from 4"x1" rectangular section to 3" OD circular section. The height of the part is 3" and is supposed be around 2 mm (.082") thick. Currently I am planning to manufacture this in a hydraulic press using (custom made ) end forming tools. The forming will be done in 3 or 2 stages starting from rect. and gradually forming a circular section. Has anyone tried this before? Is there any alternative way to make this. I am looking to make 6 such parts. I have no idea of the spring back, so can anyone help me with that. Also can anyone suggest me some literature/ handbook to help me in the process,
Material - Stainless Steel (304)

Thanks in advance
 
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Not really my field but perhaps it would be possible to make it from welded sheet metal? As you would a cone/funnel. Try making a paper template?

Edit: Actually I think this would be difficult.
 
Or perhaps print one using a 3D printer and cast copies in aluminium?
 
CWatters said:
Not really my field but perhaps it would be possible to make it from welded sheet metal? As you would a cone/funnel. Try making a paper template?

Edit: Actually I think this would be difficult.
CWatters said:
Or perhaps print one using a 3D printer and cast copies in aluminium?
I forgot to mention material, its Stainless steel
 
If you try to do this by simple cold forming then :

(a) the square tube will almost certainly split before the round shape is fully developed .

(b) the round section will always retain a component of 'squareness' that you will not be able to get rid of .

There are forming processes that would work but these would require sophisticated engineering facilities .

@CWatters has the right idea . Make the transition piece as a welded fabrication . This type of work is routinely done in ordinary sheet metal fabrication shops .

Working out the shapes of the individual parts for the fabrication is not particularly difficult .
 
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Nidum said:
@CWatters has the right idea . Make the transition piece as a welded fabrication . This type of work is routinely done in ordinary sheet metal fabrication shops .
For sure. Solidworks flatten feature makes turning most 3d surfaces into 2d shapes for profile cutting easy. The press brake operator does the hard part.
 
Nidum said:
If you try to do this by simple cold forming then :

(a) the square tube will almost certainly split before the round shape is fully developed .

(b) the round section will always retain a component of 'squareness' that you will not be able to get rid of .

There are forming processes that would work but these would require sophisticated engineering facilities .

@CWatters has the right idea . Make the transition piece as a welded fabrication . This type of work is routinely done in ordinary sheet metal fabrication shops .

Working out the shapes of the individual parts for the fabrication is not particularly difficult .
Thank you
 
As explained earlier, any attempt to open the right angle corners to a 1.5” radius by bending will fracture the material.

If you start with a rectangular section then, to prevent the fractures, you will need to cut along the tube corners prior to forming the circular section. After forming you will need to weld up the previous cuts with the new surface curvature and alignment.
 
What is the pressure and use of the part you need. A piece like this is a moderately easy standard layout from the sheet metal world. It would be easy to layout a pattern copy six times and fold them up. A little skill on a TiG welder could even make water or air tight parts.
 
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