Turbulence and Turbulence Modeling

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The discussion focuses on turbulence and turbulence modeling, emphasizing the importance of Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) and fluid-structure interaction. Key references include the CFD-online Wiki and Pope's book on turbulence models, particularly the k-epsilon and k-omega models. The conversation highlights concerns regarding the adequacy of turbulence models near flow discontinuities and suggests using Large Eddy Simulation (LES) or Unsteady Reynolds-Averaged Navier-Stokes (RANS) for more realistic modeling. Participants express interest in coherent structures and their physical implications in turbulence.

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  • Understanding of Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD)
  • Familiarity with turbulence models such as k-epsilon and k-omega
  • Knowledge of Large Eddy Simulation (LES) and Unsteady RANS techniques
  • Basic concepts of fluid-structure interaction (FSI)
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  • Research the latest developments in turbulence modeling techniques
  • Study the application of Large Eddy Simulation (LES) in real-world scenarios
  • Explore fluid-structure interaction (FSI) methodologies and their integration with CFD
  • Read classical papers on turbulence, particularly those by Brown and Roskho
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Researchers, engineers, and students in fluid dynamics, particularly those focused on turbulence modeling, CFD applications, and fluid-structure interactions.

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Turbelence and modeling of this phenomenon are areas of professional interest, in addition to CFD and fluid-structure interaction.

CFD-online is an excellent reference source for topics in CFD. I came across their Wiki and thought this might be useful.

http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Turbulence

http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Turbulence_modeling

I have been concerned the turbulence models are not necessarily adequate, especially around discontinuities, e.g. obstructions in the flow field.

In addition, I am interested in developments of fluid-structure interaction models, since that requires coupling CFD with FEM structural models.

I'd be interested in any experiences or reference papers.
 
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Well, Astro, for learning about "Turbulence Models", as the k-epsilon, k-omega, etc, take a look at Pope's book or to Fluent Manual. I may help you with the big picture if you have particular questions. I think these models will be more suitable for you for calculating the kind of stuff that you do in industry.

If you want to employ something more realistic but not crazy, you should use LES or Unsteady RANS. Again Pope's book offers you a wide explanation of these two methods.

Moreover, if you are interested not on rough models of turbulence like the former ones, but on the physics of turbulence and coherent structures, I really recommend you to read Pope's and classical papers on turbulence, as Brown and Roskho (Plane Shear Layer) on the JFM.

And if you want I am here for answering you some of your inquiries (the easy ones).
 
I recently got interested in this topic. Thanks for the references!

Before I dive into the literature though, I would like to know what kind of coherent structures are you talking about. Do they live in phase-space or in configuration-space? Are they self-binding? What kind of waves are they associated with?

Thanks!
 

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