Two charges, find collision point

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The problem involves two charges, q1 and q2, with values of 2 microcoulombs and 4 microcoulombs, respectively, positioned 10 inches apart. The objective is to find the collision point of the charges, considering that their acceleration is not constant due to the non-linear nature of their interactions as they approach each other.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential use of conservation of energy principles to approach the problem. There is a suggestion to set the total initial energy equal to the total final energy and define the collision point as x. Questions arise regarding the assumption that both charges gain equal amounts of kinetic energy, leading to further exploration of the forces acting on each charge and their respective displacements.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing hints related to energy conservation while others express confusion about the implications of kinetic energy gain for each charge. There is recognition of the complexity of the problem, and participants are actively questioning assumptions and exploring different perspectives.

Contextual Notes

One participant inquires about the mass of each charge, indicating that additional information may be necessary for a complete analysis. There is also mention of a numerical approximation as a possible method, which may not align with the expectations of the professor.

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any help in showing the way to solve this problem would be apreciated:

the problem is: given to charges q1=2 micro colomb, q1=4 micro colomb, 10 inches apart, find the collision point.an obvious approach would be calculating the position equation but in this problem the aceleration is not constant. as charges get close their interactions become stronger in a non linear fashion.

i'm wondering if there is a 'shortcut' for the solution and this is why I'm posting here, so that i don't waste time needlessly. maybe it has to do with energy since the problem is near the other energy problems but i don't see how.
please help me!

ps: another way is a numerical aproximation but i don't think that's what the professor wants.
 
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Your correct. This is an energy problem.

HINT: Start the problem like any conservation of energy problem. Start by letting the total initial energy be equal to the total final energy. Set the collision point as x. Finally remember that they each gain an equal amount of kinetic energy. You should then be able to solve for x in the energy equation.

Can you set up the conservation of energy equation now, or are you still a little confused?
 
G01 said:
Your correct. This is an energy problem.

HINT: Start the problem like any conservation of energy problem. Start by letting the total initial energy be equal to the total final energy. Set the collision point as x. Finally remember that they each gain an equal amount of kinetic energy. You should then be able to solve for x in the energy equation.

Can you set up the conservation of energy equation now, or are you still a little confused?

Can you say how to see that they must gain the same amount of kinetic energy? at first sight it does not seem to be the case. The work done on each is the integral of the force dotted with the displacement. At all times they feel forces of equal magnitudes (and opposite directions) so saying that they must gain the same amount of kinetic energy would seem to imply that they would have to travel the same distance.
 
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kdv said:
Can you say how to see that they must gain the same amount of kinetic energy? at first sight it does not seem to be the case. The work done on each is the integral of the force dotted with the displacement. At all times they feel forces of equal magnitudes (and opposite directions) so saying that they must gain the same amount of kinetic energy would seem to imply that they would have to travel the same distance.

Yes, I'm sorry, I was incorrect before. They would not gain the same amount of kinetic energy. Hmm this problem is ore complicated than I thought... I'll have to think about this.
 
DaNiEl! said:
any help in showing the way to solve this problem would be apreciated:

the problem is: given to charges q1=2 micro colomb, q1=4 micro colomb, 10 inches apart, find the collision point.


an obvious approach would be calculating the position equation but in this problem the aceleration is not constant. as charges get close their interactions become stronger in a non linear fashion.

i'm wondering if there is a 'shortcut' for the solution and this is why I'm posting here, so that i don't waste time needlessly. maybe it has to do with energy since the problem is near the other energy problems but i don't see how.
please help me!

ps: another way is a numerical aproximation but i don't think that's what the professor wants.

Do you know the mass of each charge?
 

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