Two lense system - Homemade spyglass.

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The discussion revolves around the functioning of a homemade spyglass, specifically focusing on the optical principles involved in a double lens system. The original poster is exploring how light paths are affected by adjustments made to the distance between the objective and ocular lenses, which have focal lengths of 30 cm and 5 cm, respectively.

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  • Participants discuss the theoretical aspects of light paths through the lenses and the conditions necessary for achieving a sharp image. Questions arise regarding the adjustments needed for different object distances and the implications of lens placement.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into ray tracing and the behavior of light through lenses. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between lens distance and image clarity, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive explanation of the optical principles at play.

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The original poster is under constraints related to their assignment, which requires both the construction of the spyglass and a theoretical description of its operation, along with calculations of magnification. There is also a mention of potential variations in lens types that could affect the discussion.

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Hello.

This is my first time posting here, so bare with me. I am from Denmark and I am at my final year of what corresponds to Senior High School. I am currently working on a project about "optical instruments" in physics (I was told that our A level corresponded to your applied physics level). I'ts the biggest project we do the entire year, so I am a little stressed about it. Anyway, sorry for the introduction.

My question is regarding the path of light and the forming of a picture in a dobble lense system. Part of my assignment was to build my own spyglass. So the system in question consist of: One objective lense with a focal length of 30 cm and an ocular lense with a focal lengt of 5 cm. Both lenses have the same size. I know that, when looking at an object through the spyglass i have to ajust the objective lense in order to get a sharp image. But it is unclear to me, what exactlay happens with the lights path when i ajust the distance between the objective- and ocular lenses. I mean, in order to get a sharp image of an object at different distances i have to just the spyglass, but why is that?

2. Homework Equations
The magnification of the spyglass is given by f1/f2 = 30/5 = 6x times.
(Not really sure if any equations is needed for me question)

The Attempt at a Solution


Not sure. Maybe it have something to do with the fact that, the longer the object is away to smaller the viewing angle gets. Atlest that's the only connection i can find.

I guess, what i am basically asking is: What exactly happens inside the spyglass when I adjust the length between the lenses in order to get a sharp image?

Sorry for the long post, i hope you can bare with me. Also i appologize now, if this forum is not intendeed for these sort of questions. Feel free to ask anything, I can provide more information if needed. Thank you for taking your time.
 
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There is a slight difference depending if you have a 30cm convex and a 5cm concave (as Galileo) or two convex (as Kepler)
Either way it's easy to trace the rays with high school level optics (wiki geometrical optics)

For an object at a very large distance (like a planet) then there is a simple correct location of the lenses which gives you a parallel beams out, that is an image at infinity for an object at infinity
 
Wauv, thanks for quick answer and the welcome ;)

Sorry about that - Both lenses are double-convex. (the radius of the sphere is not known)
About the ray tracing - My question was more reagarding the theoretical explanation of the lights path through my spyglass. Actualy my assignment is to "1) Build a spyglass + 2) describe the way it work + 3) find its magnification".

So I have done 1 and 3 (only theoreticaly tho). But, like I said, I am unsure what happens* when i adjust the spyglass in order to get a sharp i mage.

*Sorry for the vague describtion. I mean what changes in the path of light, when i increase or decrease the distance between the two lenses, that provides the "sharp" image.

I hope this cleared things up a bid :)
 
Assuming they are simple lenses (not achromats) you can easily work out the radius of curvature form the focal length - but that's not important.

Tracing the ideal path through the system is easy - the lenses are just placed the sum of their focal lengths apart. But with spherical lenses in the real world there might be a position near this where some errors in the lenses cancel out. Without a computer ray tracing package and exact details of the lenses all you can do is move them and have some criterion for 'in focus'
 
Right, thank you.
I know that i can calculate the radius with the lensemakers formula, but like you said - not important :p

But what is it that provides the sharp image? Why is it that when i look at on object close by (2 m) i need to increase the distance between the lenses (more than 35 cm) and when looking at object far way (20 m) i decrease the distance (less than 35 cm).

When describing the functioning of the spyglass theorediacly, how should i describe that?
 

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