Two point charges connected by a massless rope

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The problem involves two positive charges, each with associated masses, connected by a massless string. Upon cutting the string, the charges move apart, and the discussion centers on determining their velocities when they are far apart, utilizing concepts of energy and momentum conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy and momentum, questioning how potential energy transforms into kinetic energy as the charges separate. There are inquiries about the role of Coulomb's force in calculating potential energy and its loss during the process.

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Several participants have provided insights regarding the relationship between potential and kinetic energy, with some confirming the initial potential energy is fully converted into kinetic energy when the charges are far apart. There is an ongoing exploration of the equations that represent this relationship, but no consensus has been reached on the specific expressions to use.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of energy conservation and the definitions of potential energy in the context of electrostatic forces. There are mentions of the need for clarity on the initial conditions and the assumptions regarding the system's behavior as the charges move apart.

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Two positive charges q(a) and q(b) and masses m(a) and m(b) are at rest, held together by a massless string of length d. Now the string is cut, and the particles fly off in opposite directions. How fast are each going when they are far apart.My attempt:

From this the first thing I done was make a formulae for the forces and apart from that my only ideas where to use the fact that when they are far apart the not energy which would need to be considered would be that of kinetic and the conservation of momentum would hold for this problem??

Any more ideas or how to develop my own is what I'm really looking for here, thanks a lot
 
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Yes, you need to consider conservation of energy. What energy is lost as KE is gained?
Conservation of momentum will simply tell you that the mass centre of the system does not move.
 
The initial potential energy is lost as the kinetic energy is gained
 
Would I use the fact that the potential energy is the difference in work done of a conservative force, I.e coulombs force?
 
KiNGGeexD said:
The initial potential energy is lost as the kinetic energy is gained
Right. How much PE did the system start with? How much PE does it have when the particles are infinitely far apart? How much PE has been lost?
 
All the potential energy has been lost I would have though? As they are "far" apart
 
KiNGGeexD said:
All the potential energy has been lost I would have though? As they are "far" apart
Right.
 
So my expression for this would be of the form total kinetic energy gained is equal to total initial potential energy
 
KiNGGeexD said:
So my expression for this would be of the form total kinetic energy gained is equal to total initial potential energy
Yes.
 
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Brilliant thanks for all your help
 
  • #11
Would I then have 1/2m(a)* v(a)^2 + 1/2m(b)* v(b)^2= k q(a)q(b)/ dSorry this format is messy, I could post a photograph if it's easier
 
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KiNGGeexD said:
Would I then have


1/2m(a)* v(a)^2 + 1/2m(b)* v(b)^2= k q(a)q(b)/ d


Sorry this format is messy, I could post a photograph if it's easier

That's right. For your second equation see post #2.
 
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  • #15
Excellent thanks for all you help
 

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