Two Relativistic Rockets Pass eachother

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The problem involves two relativistic rockets moving toward each other, with specific speeds and proper lengths provided. The original poster attempts to determine the relative speed of the rockets and the time observed by an Earth observer when the tails of the rockets pass each other.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of relative speed and question the need for time dilation in the context of the observer on Earth. There are inquiries about the implications of relativity regarding the maximum speed limit and the interpretation of the problem's parameters.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have offered calculations and approaches, while others question the correctness of these methods and the assumptions made. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution at this time.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of special relativity, particularly concerning relative velocities and the implications of observations from different frames of reference. There are indications of confusion regarding the application of time dilation and length contraction in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


Two relativistic rockets move toward each other. as seen by an observer on Earth rocket A of proper length 500m travels at a speed of .8c and rocket b of proper length travels at speed .6c. What is the speed of the rockets relative to each other? the earthbound observer sets her clock to t=0 when the noses of the rockets pass each other. what will the observers clock read when the tails pass each other?


Homework Equations


(u-u')/(1-uu'/c^2)=v
x'=\gamma(x-vt)
t=\gammato

The Attempt at a Solution


I got the first part which was .95c. the second part I started by calculating the length contraction x'a sqrt(1-(.8c/c)^2)=xa=300m
x'b(1-(.6c/c)^2)=xb=800m
but then I got totally lost.
 
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1) do the rockets pass each other at a relative speed of .95c as viewed from earth?
2) you should not have to do anythin with time dilation since it is viewed from Earth and not one of the spaceships??
 
Is there anything in relativity that says that the relative velocity of two objects can't exceed c?
 
Phrak said:
Is there anything in relativity that says that the relative velocity of two objects can't exceed c?

that IS relativity.

I think you meant, 'Is there anything in relativity that says that the relative velocity of 2 objects can't exceed c from the point of view of a third observer'.
 
so i guess the answer is no?
 
Xa+Va t =Xb-Vb t
t= (Xb-Xa)/(Va+Vb)
would I use this to get the time?
 
maybe you should explain what everything means. what are you solving for? how does the problem break down?
 
no. I don't think your solution is right. t=d/v
 
granpa said:
that IS relativity.

I think you meant, 'Is there anything in relativity that says that the relative velocity of 2 objects can't exceed c from the point of view of a third observer'.

I should have said exactly that. I stand corrected... in the context of special relativity that relates to this thread.
 
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