Two-sided Prinicipal Ideal - the Noncommutative Case - D&F

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The discussion centers on the generation of two-sided principal ideals in noncommutative rings as described in Dummit and Foote's "Abstract Algebra," specifically in Section 7.4. The key point is that the set {ras | r, s ∈ R} does not necessarily form a two-sided ideal generated by an element a due to the lack of closure under addition in noncommutative settings. Instead, the correct ideal is RaR, which includes all finite sums of elements of the form ras, r, s ∈ R. This distinction is crucial for understanding the properties of ideals in noncommutative algebra.

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I am reading Dummit and Foote's book: Abstract Algebra ... ... and am currently focused on Section 7.4 Properties of Ideals ... ...

I have a basic question regarding the generation of a two sided principal ideal in the noncommutative case ...

In Section 7.4 on pages 251-252 Dummit and Foote write the following:
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In the above text we read:" ... ... If ##R## is not commutative, however, the set ##\{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}## is not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by ##a## since it need not be closed under addition (in this case the ideal generated by ##a## is the ideal ##RaR##, which consists of all finite sums of elements of the form ##ras, r,s \in R##). ... ... "
I must confess I do not understand or follow this argument ... I hope someone can clarify (slowly and clearly
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) what it means ... ...Specifically ... ... why, exactly, is the set ##\{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \}## not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by ##a##?The reason given is "since it need not be closed under addition" ... I definitely do not follow this statement ... surely an ideal is closed under addition! ...... ... and why, exactly does the two-sided ideal generated by a consist of all finite sums of elements of the form ##ras, r,s \in R## ... ... ?
Hope someone can help ... ...

Peter================================================================================To give readers the background and context to the above text from Dummit and Foote, I am providing the introductory page of Section 7.4 as follows ... ...
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Specifically ... ... why, exactly, is the set {ras | r,s∈R}{ras | r,s∈R}\{ ras \ | \ r, s \in R \} not necessarily the two-sided ideal generated by aaa?
In an ideal ##\mathcal{I}## you have ##x+y\in \mathcal{I}## for elements ##x\,,\,y\in \mathcal{I}##. This is a basic part of its definition.
If you now have two elements ##ras \; (r,s\in R\,; a\in \mathcal{I})## and ##paq \; (p,q \in R\,; a\in \mathcal{I})## there is - in general - no way to write ##ras+paq=uav## because you cannot pull the factors ##r,s,p,q## on the other side of ##a##.
Therefore ##\mathcal{I}=(a) = RaR = LC(\{ras \,|\, r,s \in R\}) \supsetneq \{ras \,|\, r,s \in R\}## is - in general - a proper inclusion. The latter is only a set.

In the commutative case we have
##ras+paq=r(as)+p(aq)=r(sa)+p(qa)=(rs)a+(pq)a=(rs+pq)a## and all linear combinations are of the form ##ua\;(u=rs+pq \in R)##.
However, this calculation is not allowed in non-commutative rings.
 
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You should try to find a counterexamples yourself where ##\{ras~\vert~r,s\in R\}## is not an ideal. Think of some simple noncommutative rings.
 
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Thanks fresh_42 ... that was most helpful ...

Thanks for suggestion micromass ... will try messing around with 2 by 2 matrices ...

Peter
 

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