Two stacked blocks attached to a spring

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two stacked blocks attached to a spring, focusing on the forces acting on the blocks and the conditions for equilibrium and motion. The subject area includes mechanics, specifically the concepts of force balance, friction, and spring dynamics.

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  • Participants explore the balance of forces acting on the blocks, particularly the relationship between the spring force and friction. There are attempts to clarify the conditions under which block m remains in equilibrium and the implications of acceleration on the system.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for block m not slipping and the need to consider the acceleration of both blocks. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are addressing potential misunderstandings about equilibrium and the forces involved, indicating a need for clarity on the definitions and conditions being applied in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F_spring = kx, where x is the distance compressed
f_friction = uN


The Attempt at a Solution


Forces acting on m: N_1 up, mg down, f_friction to right
Forces acting on M: N_2 up, Mg+N_1 down, f_spring to the right

Block m will still be in equilibrium as long as the force exerted by the spring equals the force of friction:

kx = uN_1
The block isn't accelerating in y-direction so N_1 = mg
So kx = u*mg
x = u*mg/k

Does that look fine?
 
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Looks good to me, force balance between the friction and the spring gives the upper bound.

A small nitpick; I might have worded this differently:

"Block m will still be in equilibrium as long as the force exerted by the spring equals the force of friction:"

I would instead say "is equal to or less than".
 
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No, this is wrong. You've not taken into account that the spring also has to accelerate M, so the accelerating force on m will be less than kx.
Let the acceleration be a. Write out the horizontal ∑F=ma equations for both blocks. Don't forget that the horizontal friction force on m applies equally and oppositely to M.

Pythagorean said:
A small nitpick; I might have worded this differently:

"Block m will still be in equilibrium as long as the force exerted by the spring equals the force of friction:"

I would instead say "is equal to or less than".
First, we're not asking for m to be in equilibrium - merely that it does not slip.
Secondly, the condition for not slipping is that the horizontal force required to accelerate it at the same rate as M does not exceed the maximum frictional force. The actual frictional force may be less than maximum.
 
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Ugh, thanks haruspex. I'm more disconnected from this stuff than I thought.
 

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