Two stars with the same mass equals the same luminosity?

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The discussion centers around whether two stars with the same mass can have the same luminosity, exploring factors that influence luminosity such as mass, composition, and age. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and examples from stellar classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while mass is a significant factor in determining luminosity, it is not the only one, with composition and age also playing crucial roles.
  • One participant notes that all type IIb supernovas have similar mass and luminosity, implying a potential correlation under specific conditions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that two stars of equal mass will likely have different luminosities if they are at different stages on the main sequence.
  • It is proposed that differences in stellar composition, such as between population I and population III stars, complicate the relationship between mass and luminosity.
  • A participant presents a calculation related to solar luminosity, questioning the validity of the statement that two stars of the same mass must have the same luminosity.
  • Some participants argue that the assertion about equal luminosity for equal mass stars is not universally true, particularly when considering deviations due to various factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass and luminosity, with no consensus reached. Some argue that mass can lead to similar luminosity under certain conditions, while others contend that this is not a definitive rule due to the influence of additional factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of considering stellar composition and evolutionary stage, indicating that assumptions about mass alone may not capture the complexity of luminosity variations.

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As the Stephan-Boltzmann's Law says, the minimal change in a star's mass would have a massive effect on its luminosity, but can necessarily two stars with the same mass have the same luminosity?
 
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Yes, it's entirely possible that two stars of the same mass will have the same luminosity, but mass would be just one of those factors. All type IIb supernovas have essentially the same mass and luminosity.
 
Although it should be stressed that two stars of equal mass will certainly have different luminosities if they are at different places on (or off) the main sequence.
 
JoAstro said:
can necessarily two stars with the same mass have the same luminosity?

Mass isn't the only factor. Composition and age also are important.
 
Composition differences certainly complicates luminosity as in pop I vs pop III stars, Age too is a factor . Stellar composition is altered as light elements fuse into heavier elements altering its density profile. Stars that leave the main sequence can drastically change in luminosity [e.g., red giants vs white dwarves] at similar masses. For stars on the main sequence with a similar density profile it would be fair to categorize mass as the dominant force driving luminosity.
 
I have two statements and they say as follows:

1. A 3sun star is seen to have a luminosity of 40 Lsun, which is too bright to be from the main sequence.
2. Two stars of the same mass must have the same luminosity.

I know that the first one is partly true but according to the solar-luminosity calculation: L ∝ Msun3.5
L ∝ 33.5 = 46.76 Lsun

But number two?
 
JoAstro said:
I have two statements and they say as follows:

1. A 3sun star is seen to have a luminosity of 40 Lsun, which is too bright to be from the main sequence.
2. Two stars of the same mass must have the same luminosity.

I know that the first one is partly true but according to the solar-luminosity calculation: L ∝ Msun3.5
L ∝ 33.5 = 46.76 Lsun

But number two?
Statement number 2 is woefully wrong.
 
JoAstro said:
1. A 3sun star is seen to have a luminosity of 40 Lsun, which is too bright to be from the main sequence.
Why is that too bright to be on the main sequence? It sounds about right for the main sequence, actually, as you get below.
2. Two stars of the same mass must have the same luminosity.
That is approximately true on the main sequence, though deviations also occur for all the reasons mentioned above.
I know that the first one is partly true but according to the solar-luminosity calculation: L ∝ Msun3.5
L ∝ 33.5 = 46.76 Lsun
That's why the first one is not very true at all, the star has a brightness that sounds a lot like it is on the main sequence, perhaps modified slightly by one of the abovementioned considerations.
 

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