Two Stones Thrown Upward: Solving the Problem

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The problem involves two stones thrown vertically upward with the same initial speed, and the goal is to determine the time at which they are at the same height, the height at which they meet, and the downward speed of the first stone at that moment. The context is kinematics, specifically dealing with projectile motion under the influence of gravity.

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to find the height and velocity of the stones. There are questions about the definitions of variables such as initial velocity ('u') and how to apply them correctly. Some participants express confusion about the signs in the equations and the effects of gravity on the stones' motion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing equations and clarifications about the variables involved. There is a mix of attempts to solve the problem and expressions of confusion, indicating that while some guidance has been offered, multiple interpretations and approaches are still being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of projectile motion, including the effects of gravity and the timing of the stones being thrown. There is a noted concern about correctly applying the signs in the equations and understanding the motion after reaching the peak height.

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Hey guys, I am new here, i was wondering if you could help me solve the following problems
ok...A stone is thrown vertically upward at a speed of 48.70 m/s at time t=0. A second stone is thrown upward with the same speed 4.390 seconds later. At what time are the two stones at the same height?
now i know the height where they meet is: 7.159s, but i can't solve the other part:
At what height do the two stones pass each other?
What is the downward speed of the first stone as they pass each other?

any help would be appreciated
thanks!
 
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Use s = ut + 1/2at^2 and solve the first.
As for the second, you calculate a maximum point for y then work from then on.Just try and solve for a function of the displacement of each one and then differentiate to get velocity results.
 
ut?? or do you mean at?
 
In these equations 'u' is initial velocity.
'v' is final velocity, 's' is displacement, 't' is time and 'a' is acceleration.

Another equation that is useful for the second part is:
v^2 = u^2 + 2 a s

Be careful to get the signs of u,v and a correct.
 
ok but how do i find 'u'??
 
matt23721 said:
ok but how do i find 'u'??
You've already said what it is ...
 
but once it reaches the peak... it fall down with accelration = 9.8m/s^2 right?
 
matt23721 said:
but once it reaches the peak... it fall down with accelration = 9.8m/s^2 right?
Be careful with your signs. If "+" is up, then the grav. accel. is negative. Otherwise, yes, the acceleration due to gravity applies consistently throughout.
 
wow I am so lost, lol... this is pathetic... is there anyway i can compute a parabola?
 
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Look at the equation for height (s) in Post #2: it gives s as a 2nd order polynomial in t, i.e. a parabola. How's that? Think about that and maybe try plotting it (height as a function of time). Once you can do that for the two stones, you should be well on your way.
 

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