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The discussion revolves around two problems involving standard normal distributions. The first problem asks for the value of c in terms of σ such that the probability P(μ-c ≤ X ≤ μ + c) equals 0.95 for a normally distributed variable X. The second problem involves finding the density of Y = |X| where X is normally distributed with mean 0 and variance σ².

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  • Participants attempt to standardize the random variable in the first problem and express the probability in terms of standard normal variables. Questions arise about the traits of normal distributions that may assist in solving the problem.
  • In the second problem, participants discuss how to handle the absolute value in the probability expression and whether multiple cases are necessary for a proper change of variables.
  • There is a focus on visualizing the regions represented by the absolute value and how that relates to the normal distribution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, exploring different approaches and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been provided regarding visualizing the absolute value and its implications for the probability density function. However, there is no explicit consensus on the solutions or methods yet.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the absolute value in the context of probability and are encouraged to focus on the regions defined by the inequalities. There is also mention of needing to reference standard normal tables and the implications of the uniform distribution in a related question.

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1) If X~N(μ,σ2, find the value of c in terms of σ such that P(μ-c ≤ X ≤ μ + c) = 0.95


Attempt: Ok so I have a feeling I will eventually need to reference a standard normal table, but I tried to standardize the rv first:

P (-1 ≤ (X-μ)/c ≤ 1 ) = 0.95

Now here's where I'm stuck, what trait of normal distributions am I missing to apply here?


2) If X ~ N(0,σ2), find the density of Y = |X|.

Attempt: FY(y) = P(Y≤y)
= P( |X| ≤ y)

How do I handle the absolute value bars? Would I have to have 2 cases and if so how do I brign those together in order to have a proper change of variables?


Thanks
 
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trap101 said:
1) If X~N(μ,σ2, find the value of c in terms of σ such that P(μ-c ≤ X ≤ μ + c) = 0.95


Attempt: Ok so I have a feeling I will eventually need to reference a standard normal table, but I tried to standardize the rv first:

P (-1 ≤ (X-μ)/c ≤ 1 ) = 0.95

Now here's where I'm stuck, what trait of normal distributions am I missing to apply here?


2) If X ~ N(0,σ2), find the density of Y = |X|.

Attempt: FY(y) = P(Y≤y)
= P( |X| ≤ y)

How do I handle the absolute value bars? Would I have to have 2 cases and if so how do I brign those together in order to have a proper change of variables?


Thanks

You handle the absolute value by drawing a line (for X) then shading in that portion of the line that satisfies |x| <= y. What region do you get?

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
You handle the absolute value by drawing a line (for X) then shading in that portion of the line that satisfies |x| <= y. What region do you get?

RGV



If I'm understanding you right, the portion that is shaded in would be everything up to but not including y. In my head I have a picture of the normal distribution graph usually how it's shown in books.
 
trap101 said:
If I'm understanding you right, the portion that is shaded in would be everything up to but not including y. In my head I have a picture of the normal distribution graph usually how it's shown in books.

Why wouldn't include y: don't we have |y|<=y for y>0?

If y = 2, would x = -7 be in the set |x|<=y? Would x → -∞ satisfy |x| <= y?

For now forget about your mental picture of the normal distribution, and just concentrate on getting the region correct. Once you have done that, go back to thinking about the normal distribution.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
Why wouldn't include y: don't we have |y|<=y for y>0?

If y = 2, would x = -7 be in the set |x|<=y? Would x → -∞ satisfy |x| <= y?

For now forget about your mental picture of the normal distribution, and just concentrate on getting the region correct. Once you have done that, go back to thinking about the normal distribution.

RGV




Ok, I see what your getting at, so I drew the graph for the absolute value of |x| and everything underneath the graph from both sides would be in the region, I just realized too though that |x| ≤ y <==> -y≤ X ≤ y. But back to the graph idea, so with me drawing that graph how does that relate to the normal distribution or any distribution for that matter?


So the set would be all values of X which are equal to or less in absolute value to y. By FTC I cold switch it into:

FX(y) - FX(-y)

then differentiating to get the densities:

fX(y) + fX(-y)

Then put these into the normal and I would have the density?
 
trap101 said:
Ok, I see what your getting at, so I drew the graph for the absolute value of |x| and everything underneath the graph from both sides would be in the region, I just realized too though that |x| ≤ y <==> -y≤ X ≤ y. But back to the graph idea, so with me drawing that graph how does that relate to the normal distribution or any distribution for that matter?


So the set would be all values of X which are equal to or less in absolute value to y. By FTC I cold switch it into:

FX(y) - FX(-y)

then differentiating to get the densities:

fX(y) + fX(-y)

Then put these into the normal and I would have the density?

Yes.

RGV
 
Awesome. Thanks. I had a quick question in terms of the uniform distribution. So I had to do a similar change of variable process and I arrived at fX(y). Now say I have been given the uniform density, where would I put my "y" value into to obtain the density in terms of y's since the PDF of a uniform is 1/(b-a)?
 

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