Type Ia Supernovae: Fusion Explosion Explained

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms behind Type Ia supernovae, specifically whether they result from fusion explosions and the scenarios that lead to such explosions. Participants explore different models, including mass-exchange in binary systems and white dwarf mergers, while referencing observational evidence and theoretical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Type Ia supernovae are indeed fusion explosions, distinguishing them from Type II supernovae, which are due to core collapse.
  • There are two primary models discussed: one involving a white dwarf accreting mass from a companion star until it approaches the Chandrasekhar limit, and another involving the merger of two white dwarfs.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the observational differences between the two scenarios, questioning whether the merger model can adequately explain the observed characteristics of Type Ia supernovae.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of merging white dwarfs potentially leading to supernovae with more than the Chandrasekhar mass, which could challenge the concept of Type Ia supernovae as standard candles.
  • Participants discuss the role of carbon and oxygen in the composition of white dwarfs and how this influences the conditions for a supernova explosion.
  • There is mention of the Gilfanov paper, which suggests that the merger scenario may account for only a small fraction of observed Type Ia supernovae, leading to questions about the overall validity of this model.
  • One participant introduces the concept of Accretion Induced Collapse, suggesting a different outcome for certain types of white dwarfs when they exceed the Chandrasekhar limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanisms behind Type Ia supernovae, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the validity and implications of the different models discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the current understanding of the mechanisms, including the potential for undiscovered factors influencing the formation of white dwarfs and the role of mass transfer in binary systems.

  • #31
Ken G said:
And note that one of them, 1987A, occurred in a progenitor that at the time was not even known to be susceptible to going supernova! It seems that every time we get a nearby supernova, we find out something new about supernovae progenitors, and that might be true for the next nearby Ia also. One can't help wondering how supernova physics might change in the next few decades, and what the cosmological consequences might be.
Speaking of which,
SN 1987A was classified as a Type II supernova (SN II) in view of the strong hydrogen lines in its optical spectrum, but because it was the explosion of a blue supergiant (BSG) rather than a red one (RSG), it was an atypical SN II: its light curve did not reach maximum until three months after core collapse and at maximum it was only about 10 percent as luminous as most SNe II.
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0611033

See also - http://sn1987a-20th.physics.uci.edu/1330-Podsiadlowski.pdf

Let's be careful to distinguish type Ia from II, and let's keep in mind there are Ib and Ic.

Still we need a nearby type Ia to with some pre-characterization of it's progenitor to provide direct observational evidence of Ia development.
 
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  • #32
We should limit discussion to Ia supernova. Type II supernova are core collapse events occurring in massive stars - not the detonation event believed responsible for Ia supernova. Anyways, I wonder why WD's are the usual suspects in Ia events. Has any consideration been given to neutron stars as possible Ia progenitors? The mass range of neutron stars vary widely - from less than a solar mass [4U1656+35] to 2 solar masses [PSR J1614-2230]. Do they have 'critical' mass limits? What happens when whatever mass limits they may have is exceeded?
 
  • #33
Chronos said:
Anyways, I wonder why WD's are the usual suspects in Ia events. Has any consideration been given to neutron stars as possible Ia progenitors? The mass range of neutron stars vary widely - from less than a solar mass [4U1656+35] to 2 solar masses [PSR J1614-2230]. Do they have 'critical' mass limits? What happens when whatever mass limits they may have is exceeded?
Neutron stars do have mass limits, usually between 2 and 3 solar masses, and would collapse if they exceeded that limit. But they wouldn't make Ia SNs, because they would look like a bare core collapse (no envelope to blow off), and would not have time to do what would have to be done to those neutrons to get them to fuse. The collapse time would be less than a second once the mass limit was exceeded, so it would just fall right into a black hole, I imagine without much ado, beyond a burst of X-rays from the accretion disk.
 
  • #34
Chronos said:
We should limit discussion to Ia supernova. Type II supernova are core collapse events occurring in massive stars - not the detonation event believed responsible for Ia supernova. Anyways, I wonder why WD's are the usual suspects in Ia events. Has any consideration been given to neutron stars as possible Ia progenitors? The mass range of neutron stars vary widely - from less than a solar mass [4U1656+35] to 2 solar masses [PSR J1614-2230]. Do they have 'critical' mass limits? What happens when whatever mass limits they may have is exceeded?

Yes,they do have a mass limit which I believe is called : Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit.
Ranging about 1.5-3 solar masses .Above this limit neutron degeneracy pressure is unable to withstand the inward gravitational force as a result it collapses.
 

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