Uh I need a runway, really let me explain

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The discussion centers around modifications and upgrades to a BMW motorcycle, specifically the S1000RR, highlighting various components such as Ohlins shocks, a PUIG windscreen, and Yoshimura accessories. The owner expresses excitement about upcoming track days and advanced training, with aspirations to participate in the Isle of Man TT in the future. Key technical features of the bike are discussed, including its impressive power-to-weight ratio and advanced traction control systems that enhance safety and performance. The conversation also touches on the thrill of riding, the importance of skill in handling high-speed situations, and the desire for safe environments to practice. The owner reflects on personal riding experiences, the appeal of twisty roads, and the challenges of finding suitable locations for high-speed practice. Overall, the thread conveys a passion for motorcycling, technical appreciation for the bike, and a commitment to safe riding practices.
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I am beginning to get really comfortable with the beast, (3000 miles and counting). Have been riding the traction control "off" for weeks now, and finally am getting comfort level in playing with the throttle with second gear power wheelies, and now with first gear power wheelies. The goal is eventually to feel comfort with third gear ones as well, but you have to be at 110+ to be in the zone, not smart on the street for every reason you can imagine.

Another thing I am noticing is that I like the handling much better when my gas tank is almost on empty, the bike just feels more planted for some reason. I turned down both the front and rear compression and rebound damping to 5 from full soft, and the bike feels very stable and planted on the street, not skittish as it used to be when the suspenders were set on the stiff side.

I have to go through this whole exercise all over again soon with the used Kawasaki ZX6. My friend at the shop took it out on a shakedown today. He said it was tight and the brakes, suspension and tranny were all good, no issues. From the look of the tires whoever owned it last never even got within two inches of the chicken strips so I know it was not ridden hard. Too bad all the extra's I am adding to it and more important I have not has any seat time to sort it all out before taking it to the track. If I were an expert rider it would not be an issue, but since I am naturally cautious I always take it one step at a time and step by step. So far, knock on wood, so good. In a funny way I am glad I am older and wiser when I began this little adventure at the beginning of this year. It may have been a different story a decade or two ago, of that, I am sure. :eek: It has been a blast so far, and hopefully things will only get better. That's it.

Rhody out... :wink:

P.S. BTW. Guy Martin won the Superbike Race at the Ulster Gran Prix. A little http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXHFFviIJ-M&feature=related".
 
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  • #352
Put a few miles on it, get used to how it brakes, turns, and accelerates. Trackday isn't a race. Any modern bike is ready for a trackday off the showroom floor. Just follow the organizer's set up rules (any safety wiring or taping of lenses), take some air out of the tires and go have fun.

Keith Code said "Compared to the street, track riding is more forgiving. A track may be 35 to 45 feet wide whereas your ½ slice of a two lane road could be as little as 8 feet. In that case, an error in line judgment on the road is roughly five times more critical than on a race track. "
 
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Be Real said:
Put a few miles on it, get used to how it brakes, turns, and accelerates. Trackday isn't a race. Any modern bike is ready for a trackday off the showroom floor. Just follow the organizer's set up rules (any safety wiring or taping of lenses), take some air out of the tires and go have fun.

Keith Code said "Compared to the street, track riding is more forgiving. A track may be 35 to 45 feet wide whereas your ½ slice of a two lane road could be as little as 8 feet. In that case, an error in line judgment on the road is roughly five times more critical than on a race track. "
Be Real,

Did you join just to play in this thread ? Just wondering, out loud of course, hehe...

Rhody...
 
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Amazon said:
Nice bike, I just high sided mine almost 3 weeks ago. Wanna buy any 599 parts :P I've only been out on the track once, can't wait to do it again

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Amazon,

No, I don't need your parts, am getting an 09 Kawi Zx6 for a good price and putting a few track necessities on it before going back out there, high bars, quick shifter, power commander... etc... Hopefully your highside didn't result in broken or shattered anythings. The armor in leathers is amazing if you use the correct brand. I prefer Vanson leathers. BTW, was that a picture of your bike before the high side ?

Rhody...
 
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rhody said:
Amazon,

No, I don't need your parts, am getting an 09 Kawi Zx6 for a good price and putting a few track necessities on it before going back out there, high bars, quick shifter, power commander... etc... Hopefully your highside didn't result in broken or shattered anythings. The armor in leathers is amazing if you use the correct brand. I prefer Vanson leathers. BTW, was that a picture of your bike before the high side ?

Rhody...

I turned out fine, my leathers defnitly did there job. I had a custom Velocity 2 piece race suit. And ya, that was before teh crash, the gas tank is pretty much flat now.
 
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I've got my eye on a Yamaha GTS 1000. Future classic right there, and very cheap at the moment.
 
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Kurdt, Amazon,

Let's switch this discussion over to my "runway" thread in GD, so we don't raise the ire of the mentors. BTW. Is there any way we can have the threads that belong there moved to the other thread ? That would be cool. I think I will report myself, hehe... and see what comes of it.

Rhody... o:)
 
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rhody said:
Amazon,

No, I don't need your parts, am getting an 09 Kawi Zx6 for a good price and putting a few track necessities on it before going back out there, high bars, quick shifter, power commander... etc... Hopefully your highside didn't result in broken or shattered anythings. The armor in leathers is amazing if you use the correct brand. I prefer Vanson leathers. BTW, was that a picture of your bike before the high side ?

Rhody...

Those aren't track necessities, in fact the high bars are the antithesis of a track necessity. Power commander? Are you replacing the exhaust system? I don't think you need a quick shifter to enjoy a track day. I guess I am doing it wrong riding a bike so stock it has the use 91 octane and always wear a helmet stickers still on it.
 
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Be Real said:
Those aren't track necessities, in fact the high bars are the antithesis of a track necessity. Power commander? Are you replacing the exhaust system? I don't think you need a quick shifter to enjoy a track day. I guess I am doing it wrong riding a bike so stock it has the use 91 octane and always wear a helmet stickers still on it.
For me, heli-bars or something akin to it are most welcome, less strain on the wrists, and since the 600 will be dual use at least for the moment, all the more reason to put them on. I am getting rearsets and with it a quick shifter, and with it to control the engine cutout when you shift a power commander V control module. If you have a competitor's blood in you, and I assume you do, you can buy race gas, which is like 100 octane in five gallon box/bladders. Most bike shops sell race gas as well. So, you are running a stock, bike, what year/model and how many years have you been at this, and how many track days have you had, and where, NJMP, Loudon, Road Atlanta, etc... ?

Rhody...
 
  • #361
What's the purpose of this thread? I used to ride. Did some racing back in the day. What's up?
 
  • #362
Who said I need race gas?I know where it can be bought. Just ride the bike. Wear some edges off those tires.
 
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DoggerDan said:
What's the purpose of this thread? I used to ride. Did some racing back in the day. What's up?
DoggerDan,

Just a little adventure into enjoying sport bikes, track days, road racing, and if you dig back far enough some fast cars on runways too thanks to howler_monkey's contributions. There is a lot of cool stuff to watch here spend some time with them I think you will agree.

I made a post a few posts ago asking for others contributions, here is your chance to contribute your experience(s), video's etc...

Be Real said:
Who said I need race gas?I know where it can be bought. Just ride the bike. Wear some edges off those tires.
BeReal,

Take a deep breath, relax, it is all good. I find it curious why you won't share anything about yourself, no one is going to judge you here, lighten up a little, have some fun and contribute. Read some of Turbo's posts, that's the spirit we are looking for. Not about who is better, faster, etc... it is not that at all, it is about having fun, and as Guy Martin likes to refers to it, "The Buzz". If it weren't for "The Buzz" I wouldn't be riding myself, pure and simple as that. I do it partially for therapeutic reasons.

Rhody...
 
  • #364
Today would have been my second track day at Loudon, NH. I haven't heard from any of my buddies up there, hopefully everyone had a safe, fast, fun day. As luck would have it, today is the day when I agreed on a price with a buyer for my FJR. Funny how everything worked out too. I showed up at the shop last Saturday to talk about things for the used bike, and while on my way across the shop overheard a customer saying he was interested in a used FJR. I asked his buddy if he wanted to see the BMW, so we went out and chatted for a bit. His friend came back, having tried a used grey FJR the shop had, we met, and he asked if mine was blue, I said yes, I looked at his height and said mine had a lowered seat. One thing lead to another, and they decided to follow me home. Long story short, he drove it, liked it and today we pretty much closed the deal, which should happen this weekend if all goes well. If I had not been exactly where I was when I was I never would have sold the bike, and to a nice guy too. Funny how good karma and serendipity combine. It has happened over and over again since this odyssey started last year. I never fail to be amazed at how these two forces combine to bring good things to my life. I am eternally grateful too.

On another subject, I noticed last weekend some different handling behavior on the Monster bike. The temps were down about 10 - 15 degrees and under hard braking I felt the front end pumping for the first time. Second, when medium hard on the gas instead of trying to wheelie, it would break the rear end loose like a mad dog. I thought it might be soft shock front and rear settings causing the pumping, so I stiffened both ends up a bit and ran the same section of road, same temps, same amount of braking in the same place, and low and behold, the freaking road had ripples in it causing the pumping effect. Problem solved, but it just goes to show you if you deceive yourself into thinking you know everything, then that's when you get into trouble. The colder temps caused the rear end to brake loose, so I will keep that in mind as winter approaches, more than likely I will turn traction control back on, just for safety's sake.

Rhody...
 
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rhody said:
DoggerDan,

Just a little adventure into enjoying sport bikes, track days, road racing, and if you dig back far enough some fast cars on runways too thanks to howler_monkey's contributions. There is a lot of cool stuff to watch here spend some time with them I think you will agree.

I made a post a few posts ago asking for others contributions, here is your chance to contribute your experience(s), video's etc...

Oh, ok! I get it, now. Well, back in the day, we had super-8. A few folks had Beta or VHS, but not many. I didn't.
 
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DoggerDan said:
Oh, ok! I get it, now. Well, back in the day, we had super-8. A few folks had Beta or VHS, but not many. I didn't.
I didn't mean personal video's, unless you have them, I meant stuff you have seen online, uTube, etc... that you found interesting.

Rhody...
 
  • #367
I had the pleasure of watching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Stoner" at Estoril, Australia on recorded cable TV on the Speed Channel with two races left to go in the season. He is from Australia so it was even sweeter for him. He led from the start to the finish. He has the best equipment at the moment, riding for Honda, whereas he struggled when riding for Ducati in 2007, even after many crashes, he was eventually able to win the MotoGP championship for the first time. He has come along way, and in the shadow of greats like Valentino Rossi, who struggled with Ducati this year after having significant crashes in 2010, which hindered his chances. 2012 will see the return of 1000cc bikes and hopefully the racing will be closer next year. As good as Stoner and Honda were this year, from a racing fan's perspective, it is no fun to watch someone run away with the lead race after race. I prefer the days when there was close contests, like the Stoner, Rossi faceoff at Laguna Seca in 2007. Stoner beat Rossi in qualifying by 1.5 seconds and yet somehow Rossi found a way to win. If you get the chance, google video the race and watch it, there are selections on UTube, really exciting stuff.

Rhody...
 
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rhody said:
The colder temps caused the rear end to brake loose, so I will keep that in mind as winter approaches, more than likely I will turn traction control back on, just for safety's sake.

Rhody...
Yep. If your machine can put a lot of HP to the rear wheel, you have to watch tire pressures in cold weather.

Luckily, I was used to Evo-powered Harleys. If you have an Evo running high compression-ratios, then you have be be quite mindful of engine temperature, and that will damp your tendency to twist the throttle. The aluminum block, jugs, and heads have to heat up and expand in order to seat the gaskets tightly before you can flog that machine, lest you start blowing gaskets. By that time (20-30 minutes at least in cold weather), your tires are probably warmed up enough to perform adequately. Still, its best to run reduced pressures in cold weather.

If I had opted for the Monster about 10-15 years back, I might have learned your lesson the hard way, instead of the smart way like you did.
 
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I got a report from my sales buddy at the shop. It was a cool day and 4 guys from our group went down, one a a ZX14 broke his ankle, another guy, someone who I rode with last time got compressed in turn 3, and the kickstand lifted and he low sided, mostly damage to the bike, scuffed leathers and bruises. Another guy high sided in turn 1, and the new guy (on a Monster BTW Turbo) high sided going up the hill while cranked over before entering the bowl. These accidents to me represent letting the adrenaline and excitement get the best of you, and then pushing into a zone that track and tire temps and ability can't handle. It was different in June, warmer weather, and no one from our group crashed, even the guy who low sided in turn 3 was fine. Some of you may think I am being too anal when I post and I am sure to you must think he is being way to analytical about this. I assure you I am not. As much as is humanly possible I storyboard and then try to practice anything I might encounter on the track, if safely possible. These crashes reminder me of that fact.

Rhody...
 
  • #370
You don't have to provide disclaimers for me, rhody. A friend of mine had one of the last releases of XR750s available to the public. What a handful! I'd rather have a monster, but I should have snagged one of those HD flat-trackers for a fraction of the price. Hind-sight is so alluring.
 
  • #371
turbo said:
You don't have to provide disclaimers for me, rhody. A friend of mine had one of the last releases of XR750s available to the public. What a handful! I'd rather have a monster, but I should have snagged one of those HD flat-trackers for a fraction of the price. Hind-sight is so alluring.
That's why when I see guys on bikes less powerful, or almost just as powerful, and I think of my track experience, I give a sigh of relief that I didn't get caught in the excitement and adrenaline that these guys did. Maybe my brain training helped more than I gave it credit for. I will never know for sure unless I continue it and push the 600cc Kawasaki harder next time. If I don't crash then, I may have stumbled onto something very valuable to prevent injury, financial loss due to fixing a busted bike.
What a kick that would be, eh ?

Rhody...
 
  • #372
Less people would have fallen had they been smoother on the throttle in the turns, and ratcheted up as they were told. Although a lot of people fell, the majority didn't. Saw a box stock ZX6R in red and yellow groups they were having a blast.
 
  • #373
Be Real said:
Less people would have fallen had they been smoother on the throttle in the turns, and ratcheted up as they were told. Although a lot of people fell, the majority didn't. Saw a box stock ZX6R in red and yellow groups they were having a blast.
Ok, what venue are we talking about here, the Loudon track day that just happened or something you saw awhile ago, and if so, where ?

Rhody...
 
  • #374
NHMS Monday 10/17/11.
 
  • #375
Thought I would post a couple of pictures from the alzeheimer's memorial ride a few week back.

That is the driveway of the fire dept hall used to hold the event.

Here is a https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=8061568c80431d50&id=8061568C80431D50!5879&sff=1" to all the photos...

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1995/alzeheimersride2.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2530/alzeheimersride.jpg

Check out the red one of a kind ZX14 with hand built side car and center hubs, the bike is worth well over 100K, and a thousand hours of build time.
The pair of guys who build them do it for fun, not profit.
They have sold a few bikes with side cars along the way.
Amazing to see the engineering and craftsmanship up close.
The pictures in no way does the bike justice, IMHO.

Rhody...
 
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R.I.P Marco Simoncelli. You're giant hair and racing will be missed greatly. The motorcycle world lost a great young racer
 
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Amazon said:
R.I.P Marco Simoncelli. You're giant hair and racing will be missed greatly. The motorcycle world lost a great young racer
Amazon, how about a few links, tributes, racing clips etc..., so sad, but he left us doing what he loved, how many of us can say that about our lives ?

Rhody... :cry:
 
  • #379
Amazon said:
Here's a clip of the crash, you can see his helmets comes off and bounces away. His picture is actually on the October page of my MotoCourse calendar.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fdd_1319359606
Oh God, that was horrible, I saw a rider making the sign of the cross. Mercifully, at least is was as near instant as possible. Looks to me like as gruesome as it sounds he was partially decapitated. RIP http://www.google.com/imgres?q=marc...&tbnw=206&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0".

Rhody...
 
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I am going to write details of the new 2012 model in a future post. I thought this video might give you a taste. I like the fact that the wind noise and buffeting is picked up in the video. The rider appears to have traction control off. I wish some of you could experience the thrust (close to 1g) and braking (about the same, -1g).

Words cannot begin to describe it when you add the noise of the motor, the wind blast, and the feel through the chassis. I couldn't post the past day or two. The death Marco Simoncelli still bothers me. For those of you who don't know, he was best friends with Valentino Rossi, one of the riders who collided with him. The other was Colin Edwards, Rossi's former teammate when he rode for Yamaha. Marco was trying to save it and for a split second found himself in the wrong place at the wrong instant. In racing, that is all it takes my friends.





Rhody...

RIP Marco...
 
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Kurdt said:
Instant? Apparently he was conscious for 15 minutes in the medical centre.

Wishful thinking on my part Kurdt then, I apologize. I would hope that those closest to him could have been there when he passed, but I doubt it. This really really sucks...

Rhody... :redface:
 
  • #384
Nice recovery at 2:36!
 
  • #385
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN3MFLwlsEg&hd=1"



I got a "Buzz" from watching it, I am sure nothing compared to actually being there and onboard.
The Isle of Man TT was for many years the most prestigious motor-cycle race in the world. Between 1907 and 2009 there have been 237 deaths during official practices or races on the Snaefell Mountain Course.

Rhody...
 
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rhody said:
I didn't mean personal video's, unless you have them, I meant stuff you have seen online, uTube, etc... that you found interesting.

Rhody...

Oh! Well, I wish I'd had any sort of video on tap the day this guy in the three-banger 750 and I headed out. My later model was rock solid, while his was squirrely as could be, with the back end flipping left and right.

Still, his was faster. Just pure HP/wt ratio. I think the three-cylinders were two-strokers, as well.
 
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DoggerDan said:
Oh! Well, I wish I'd had any sort of video on tap the day this guy in the three-banger 750 and I headed out. My later model was rock solid, while his was squirrely as could be, with the back end flipping left and right.

Still, his was faster. Just pure HP/wt ratio. I think the three-cylinders were two-strokers, as well.
Ah, the age of innocence, the 1980's when Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki started the arms race of increased horsepower, Kawasaki H3, Honda CB900F (I had one), etc... all made from mild steel walled tubing, even the swing arm, with steering heads by today's standards of flimsy materials. They had a nickname for them, "Frankenbikes". They would accelerate pretty decent in a straight line, squirelly on the brakes and a flexy flier in the corners resulting in lots of low, high sides, fun to watch, but dangerous with less than an expert racer or rider onboard. The most evil of them all was the Kawasaki 750 H3, it was positively nasty, I had the 400cc version of the same model and it was like being spit out of a cannon, had a 3000 rpm power spread that would simply explode. Horrible handling too, good thing I couldn't afford the 750cc version or I might not be here to post about it.

Today I own a 180 rear wheeled horsepower monster that will loft the front wheel at 125 mph in 3rd gear and is stable as a rock, you can flop it on its side and gradually feed in throttle, it like riding on rails. The frame and swing arm are both vertically very stiff, but torsionally and longitudinally forgiving, they flex, but just enough to absorb road imperfections enough to absorb the bumps, but not enough to spit you off. The front forks and rear shocks are light years better too. Even the bearings in the wheels and swing arms are better, needle versus plain bearings in the 80's.

It comes down to this, if you can ride a frankenbike at or near the limit and be smooth and not have it injure or kill you, you are decent rider. I used to ride my Honda CB 900F through the mountains and canyons and forests and can think of dozens of times when the suspension almost bit me, scaring the crap out of me in the process. On the BMW, it wouldn't be a problem, I could probably take the same corners at +20mph without even breaking a sweat. Today's mounts are much more forgiving. I haven't touched on traction control or ABS brakes either. That is for another day.

Rhody...

As an aside, in 2010 25% of all sales of 1000cc sport bikes were for the BMW S1000RR, pretty amazing considering they didn't even have a bike on the market until 2009. The four year R&D development and 650,000 mile testing effort really paid off.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1176/kawaih3.jpg
 
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a video of myself being awesome :P the first lap is pretty boring, we were only allowed to pass at certain places
 
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  • #389
Nice video Amazon, I used Windows Moviemaker, and was able to edit, add music, and graphics, it took some getting used to. I since have purchased AVS4You, on sale and it comes with 18 apps, folks on the BMW Forum say it is good. I will let you know once I start experimenting with it.

Speaking of experimenting, I sent this email to one of my cycle friends who also happens to do track days, check out his response:
Warm up session to get fully up to speed and comfortable on the track
Take one fully ripe Trinidad Scorpion pepper, consume 1/2 chewing it just before launch
Complete a twenty minute track session, somehow staying focused, and do NOT CRASH
Pull into the paddock, and collect $ 20 on my dime, any takers ?
You can have some test scorpions before you decide to take up the challenge
This is in a whole other league folks, I want to understand how your senses are enhanced or
inhibited trying to cope with the slow capsaicin burn of the pepper. You are my Lab Rats.
Nice huh ? Give it some thought. I want to know if focus and adrenaline can cope with an
additional sensory overload. I know I am crazy, but you guys are a bit too, being addicted to the track and all.

and

I think it is time I call in a padded room for you. Do you have a preference for color in your room?

and

Where is your true sense of adventure and curiosity ? Am I the only curious one here ?

Rhody... :-p :devil:
 
  • #391
rhody said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN3MFLwlsEg&hd=1"



I got a "Buzz" from watching it, I am sure nothing compared to actually being there and onboard.

Rhody...


I just went back and watched this again, I got the same chills from it, amazing, simply amazing.
I have to visit the IOMTT soon. To be less than 10 feet away from that, words don't do it justice.

Rhody... :devil: :biggrin:
 
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As the weather gets colder the available grip goes with it. All summer I have been able to keep traction control off with no ill effects. However, when the mercury dips below 45 degrees Fahrenheit, the tires need to be warm to get good grip while vertical or when leaned over. I learned this lesson when leaving the bike shop with cold tires (warmed up motor), I accelerated with decent throttle in first then rolled it on about 7K or so and instead of lifting the front wheel, the rear tire started spinning itself silly yawing to the left side. Pretty easy to bring under control but had the bike been on its side it would have been another story altogether and may have high sided me.

I decided to do a bit of reading on tire slipping, and as luck would have it ran into a nice write up in the December 2010 issue of Sport Rider Magazine. If a sport bike is heading down a straight section of road at 150 mph, a Racepak data acquisition system showed rear tire slippage of 5 percent, meaning the rear wheel was spinning at 157.5 mph. Heading uphill toward turn 6 at Willow Springs Raceway with the bike vertical the wheel slip is greater than 10 percent at 85 mph. In some turns slip can be as much as 40 percent. Finally, under braking negative slip is typically between 15 and 20 percent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqrGbiGYs6A&feature=related"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aK2LBnTT2s&feature=related"



Rhody...
 
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It has been over a week, almost two, since the beast and I have become acquainted. Today was perfect, mid sixties Fahrenheit, and I took a ride to try out my used 2009 ZX6 at the shop where it is waiting for parts. On the way there, even at slow speeds I was getting the rush, the "Buzz", it only got better on some near empty road, rolling through second and third gears to red line, 14000 rpm, nice and smooth, then hard on the brakes back to highway speed, all in about 15 to 20 seconds. Two fingers on the front brake was all that was needed to slow the bike, even harder on the brakes than acceleration. I really love this beast of a bike more and more as time goes on. If I could bottle and sell the feeling you get I when you ride it I would surely be a millionaire many times over by now.

On to the Kawasaki ZX6 then. My impression is that it is lower, the controls a bit sloppier, throttle and brakes, the suspension appears quite good although I didn't twiddle any of the settings. The bike gives you a nice tingly butt massage at 8K rpm and above, which I kind of like, as expected the rush is not as intense or anywhere near what the beast is capable of (no power wheelies to contend with). Plus the exhaust is whisper quiet by comparison, my bike tops the db meter at 109 db. The dorky mirrors have to go, and the handlebars are not too bad, a little lower than the other bike, but they are swept at a steeper angle so the bar end mirrors will be a risk. I may need the higher flatter handlebars simply for the mirrors sake. There is more room to stretch out as well, which is nice. I wish the BMW had more room, but not by much.

All the ugly graphics except for one are the gas tank are easily removed as well, which I plan to do. A last impression is that it took almost 3000 miles to get truly comfortable on the BMW, whereas on this bike I think the learning curve will be 1500 miles or even less. Only time will tell for sure, but I think the 600 will be more fun on the track, and give at least 50% more room for error than the BMW.

It is funny too, I was talking to my salesman friend at the shop who has been selling bikes for years, and when I asked him what percentage of his customers were decent fast and above all safe riders, he said about twenty five percent. :bugeye: That's about it for now folks.

Rhody... :cool: :biggrin:
 
  • #396
Wow! Those stone walls don't look too comforting as road-race barriers.
 
  • #397
turbo said:
Wow! Those stone walls don't look too comforting as road-race barriers.
I agree, less than a foot away from them, is not my idea of fun, even at street legal speeds. How can you watch this youtube video, and not the one in the HotStuff thread I posted, I am confused.

Rhody... :confused:
 
  • #398
I have to resort to work-arounds, at times, like letting a video start, pausing it, then waiting for it to buffer. Even low-res stuff like 60 minutes clips can be problematic if I try to stream them. I have a crap ADSL connection, so I have to pick and choose where I want to spend my bandwidth and my time.
 
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Pause a moment to consider, would this have happened if the guy hitting the downed bike had been 3 seconds earlier or later in that corner. I think about situation like this all the time. The guy crashing into the oncoming bike "target fixated" for sure. Had he not and looked and reacted with a fast move to his right, he may have avoided the head on.

Johnny5 Head on Crash 07/23/2011



Rhody... :bugeye:
 
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