UK Street Lights: Essex Turning Off 11-5 - Cool or Not?

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The discussion revolves around the proposal to turn off street lights in Essex, UK, during the hours of 11 PM to 5 AM. Participants explore the implications of this decision on safety, crime rates, energy consumption, and public convenience, with varying perspectives on whether it is a beneficial or detrimental move.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that turning off street lights during late hours could compromise safety, as lights are essential for visibility and crime prevention.
  • Others suggest that the decision may be driven by financial considerations, such as reducing electricity costs or managing grid stability during peak demand.
  • A few participants argue that urban street lighting does not significantly correlate with crime rates, citing studies that suggest lighting may only reduce the fear of crime rather than actual crime levels.
  • Some contributors mention that in their areas, similar measures have been taken, such as turning off every other street light, which they believe did not lead to increased safety concerns.
  • There are comments about the broader implications of energy consumption and carbon emissions, with suggestions for alternative solutions like solar lighting.
  • Participants also share personal anecdotes about their experiences with street lighting, highlighting the balance between safety and personal preference for darker environments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the necessity and implications of turning off street lights, with some advocating for safety and others supporting cost-saving measures.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on assumptions about crime rates and safety, while others reference anecdotal experiences that may not be universally applicable. The discussion reflects varying local contexts and personal preferences regarding urban lighting.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to urban planners, local government officials, residents concerned about public safety, and individuals interested in energy conservation and environmental policies.

  • #31
wolram said:
Danger, go be a good citizen and pull up some of those thistles growing from you pavements :approve:
Pull them up?! You great flying lunatic! Cut the tops off is how to do it! If I pull them up, what the hell would I have to make my wine from next year?
 
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NoTime said:
In VT they often put a lamp at intersections on major roads.
It does help find that little sideroad slotted in amongst all the trees and bushes. Even in the daytime the lampost often is easier to find than the street.:smile:
I wish we had that around here. There are a few side roads that go pretty steeply downhill between a bunch of trees...you pretty much have to just have faith that there is a road there until you've made the turn onto it. :eek:

I wouldn't mind the off ramp lighting so much, but places like CT just light the highway end to end
That's pretty much how it is in NJ too...I think the roads are like that all the way down through DC at least, with the exception of some stretches down in South Jersey, but that's changing as that gets overcrowded now too. When I moved away from NJ, it actually took me a while to adjust to night driving in the dark...I kept thinking, "Why can't these crazy people put up street lights so you can see where you're going!" But, I adjusted pretty quickly, and I really only had trouble at the on and off ramps of some really dark roads. It wasn't like there was a steady stream of cars around though, so I could slow down a lot and just look for it without driving anyone else bonkers. After then moving back to places with lots of street lights, I realized I preferred not having them. I have a hard enough time sleeping at night without the place being constantly lit up by bright lights.
 

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