Uncertainty of room mode frequencies

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The discussion revolves around the uncertainties involved in acoustical analysis, specifically in calculating room mode frequencies and reverberation times for a performance venue. Participants explore methods for handling uncertainties in complex equations and data sets.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about calculating uncertainties for a complex equation involving room modes, particularly concerning integer values and their impact on final uncertainty.
  • Another participant suggests taking the logarithm of both sides of an equation and differentiating as a method for handling uncertainties.
  • A participant presents a specific example involving two sets of data for reverberation time measurements and seeks guidance on calculating the uncertainty for the mean average of these values.
  • One participant shares a derived equation for calculating the uncertainty of mid-frequency reverberation time based on their understanding of the previous discussions.

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The discussion includes multiple competing views on how to approach uncertainty calculations, and no consensus is reached on the best method for handling specific cases.

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Participants mention various assumptions and conditions, such as the values of integer variables and the nature of the uncertainties involved, but these remain unresolved and depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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Hi - I'm new here - I'm just writing a paper based on an acoustical analysis of a rock/pop performance venue in a college I work at, and I'm up to my uncertainties section.

I've read up on uncertainties, and feel confident in working out uncertainties for simple additions, multiplications, divisions, squares and roots - but my equation is more complex than that.

Here's the main equation: -
[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11341635/Room%20modes.png

nx, ny and nz are integer values from one to infinity.

lx = 13.640 m ± 0.005 m
ly = 8.109 m ± 0.005 m
lx = 6.241 m ± 0.005 m

c is the speed of sound and is calculated using the equation: -
[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11341635/Speed%20of%20sound.png
(the 101.1% is due to humidity at 30 degrees C and 30 % humidity - the maximum that could have been reached during the experiment).

T was 23 degree C ± 2

I'm not sure how to deal with the integer values - I'll need to put values to each at some point - I was assuming each would be either 1, or the maximum reached during the experiment (around 15), but this would mean that the end uncertainty would be a variable number depending on what these integers were.

Assuming each integer value were 1, how do you deal with 1/x in uncertainties? I can't find any reference to this in all my guidance documents.

Then finally there's the square root to deal with. I know that to deal with a square root you usually divide the relative uncertainty by 2, but what if it's a square root of a bunch of uncertainties - like in this case.
 
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The key is to take the log of both sides and differentiate then.
 
Thanks - I'm reading that document now.

What about a simpler one - I have two sets of data for reverberation time measurements - one at 500 Hz and one at 1,000 Hz. The estimated mean average for the 500 Hz set is 0.908 s with a relative uncertainty of 0.00861 s and for the 1,000 Hz set these are 0.793 s and 0.0194 s.

I need the mid-frequency reverberation time, which is a mean average based on only the 500 Hz and 1,000 Hz measurements. So in this case it is (0.908+0.793)/2 = 0.850 s. How do I work out the uncertainty for this value?
 
I think I'm getting it. For the last example I arrived at the following equation: -

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11341635/Uncertainty%20of%20MidFrequency%20Reverberation%20Time.png

Think I've got in about as deep as I need for now.

Many thanks.
 
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