Understand Degeneracy of Metric at Schwarzschild Singularity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of metric degeneracy in the context of the Schwarzschild singularity, specifically addressing the implications of a degenerate metric and its relationship to eigenvalues and singular metrics. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to general relativity.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a paper discussing a degenerate metric and questions how to identify degeneracy from the metric's form.
  • Another participant clarifies that degeneracy for a metric implies that the determinant of the metric tensor, det(gab), equals zero.
  • A participant connects the concept of eigenvalues to metric degeneracy, suggesting that the presence of multiple identical eigenvalues indicates degeneracy.
  • Further discussion raises the question of why a degenerate metric is considered singular and seeks to define what a singular metric entails.
  • One participant explains that for the Minkowski metric, the determinant is non-zero, and thus a singular metric cannot be transformed into a Minkowskian form through any nonsingular transformation.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of metric degeneracy and singularity, with no consensus reached on the definitions or consequences of these concepts.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of degeneracy and singular metrics, as well as the implications of eigenvalues in this context. The discussion does not clarify the conditions under which these concepts apply.

ChrisVer
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I am reading this paper
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.4837.pdf
and I came across under eq12 that the new metric is degenerate...
How can someone see that from the metric's form?
Degeneracy for a metric means that it has at least 2 same eigenvalues (but isn't that the same for the Minkowski metric since it's diagonal with 3 times -1 eigenvalues)? Or that you can define two different metric tensors [itex]g[/itex] and [itex]\bar{g}[/itex] which keep [itex]ds^{2}[/itex] invariant?

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Degeneracy for a metric means that det(gab) = 0. In this case, gττgξξ - gτξ2 = 0.
 
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Oh well then that means that my first choice was the correct one about Eigenvalues...
and why is the degenerate metric singular? or put in another manner, what does singular metric mean?
 
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ChrisVer said:
Oh well then that means that my first choice was the correct one about Eigenvalues...
and why is the degenerate metric singular? or put in another manner, what does singular metric mean?
For the Minkowski metric, the eigenvalues are -1, +1, +1, +1 and det(g) = -1. Det(g) is a scalar density, transforming under a coordinate transformation as Det(g') = |∂x/∂x'|2 Det(g) where |∂x/∂x'| is the Jacobian of the transformation. Consequently there exists no nonsingular transformation that can take a singular metric to Minkowski. Wherever Det(g) = 0, the spacetime is not locally Minkowskian.
 
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