Understand physics vs engineering

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The discussion centers around the distinction between physics and engineering, exploring the roles of physicists, the career paths available to physics graduates, and the relevance of statistics regarding physics undergraduates. Participants also touch on the implications of upcoming advancements in particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that physics is about thinking and solving problems, while engineering is about applying knowledge.
  • One participant notes that the majority of working physicists are in condensed-matter physics, particularly in semiconductor technology, which is economically significant.
  • Another participant mentions that only about 4% of physics undergraduates pursue pure physics, with many entering fields that involve collaboration with engineers or financial analysis.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of the 4% statistic, with some participants questioning whether it refers to those pursuing PhDs or just undergraduates.
  • Concerns are expressed about the implications of the low percentage of physics graduates pursuing pure physics, with one participant expressing disappointment over the statistic.
  • One participant argues that both physicists and engineers solve problems and think critically, emphasizing their equal importance in the field.
  • There is speculation about the potential increase in particle physicists due to the upcoming operation of the LHC, with a participant recalling the surge in the 1960s.
  • Questions arise regarding the specific roles of industrial physicists and the types of work they engage in.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the roles of physicists and engineers, with some disagreement about the interpretation of statistics regarding physics graduates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these statistics and the future of particle physics.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the source of the 4% statistic, as one participant notes they no longer have access to the original data. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying interpretations of what constitutes a "pure" physicist.

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I understand physics vs engineering, is like thinking/solving vs applying. But what exactly does a physicist do? could I get a few examples? Also how is Ohio U. in terms of undergrad for bothy physics and engineering, I may be getting a full ride. Thanks for the help.
 
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The majority of working physicists (as of 2006) are working in condensed-matter physics, which essentially is the physics of semiconductors and other solid-state materials. There are many, many other kinds of opportunities for physicists, but semiconductor technology is currently an extremely profitable enterprise and has the economic strength to employ a large number of physicists.

Keep in mind, however, that only ~4% (yes, fewer than one in twenty) of physics undergraduates ever go on to actually study pure physics. The majority end up working with engineers, and a significant minority end up doing financial analysis.

- Warren
 
i understand physics majors are prized in many fields, say medicine, because they are smart, have intuition, and know how to learn, reason and solve problems.
 
chroot said:
Keep in mind, however, that only ~4% (yes, fewer than one in twenty) of physics undergraduates ever go on to actually study pure physics. The majority end up working with engineers, and a significant minority end up doing financial analysis.

And the condensed-matter industry hires people from those 4% or from undergrads too?
 
quasar987 said:
And the condensed-matter industry hires people from those 4% or from undergrads too?


Both.

Really only 4%?

Wow. Half of our last graduating class went to grad school (out of thirty).
 
I no longer have the statistics nearby to show the 4% figure, but they were on a bulletin board in my university's physics department. People who work alongside engineers are no longer "pure" physicists, of course.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
I no longer have the statistics nearby to show the 4% figure, but they were on a bulletin board in my university's physics department. People who work alongside engineers are no longer "pure" physicists, of course.

- Warren


Hmm. I took the 4% to mean "went on to physics PhD" but I suppose its probably narrower than that.
 
I guess the statistic just means people who end up being theorists or experimentalists, working on pure physics experiments.

- Warren
 
Were those statistics based on PHD Graduates or both PHD and undergrads?
 
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Just undergraduates. Don't quote me on it, I no longer have the source of the info.

- Warren
 
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... or you could read an entry of my deleted journal that Greg had somehow rescued onto the PhysicsPost site.

http://www.physicspost.com/science-article-210.html

Zz.
 
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Wow, that statistic makes me deppressed. : (
 
  • #14
who says engineers don't think and solve problems? A better distinction is a physicist creates knowledge and an engineer applies this knowledge. Both solve problems, and both definitely have to think, and both are equally important.
 
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With the LHC coming online soon, you can expect the number of particle physicists to jump up a few notches (read: orders of magnitude). It'll be like the 1960's all over again...
 
  • #16
Ah wow you think? That would be nice.
 
  • #17
what would an industrial physicist do?
 
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joelperr said:
With the LHC coming online soon, you can expect the number of particle physicists to jump up a few notches (read: orders of magnitude). It'll be like the 1960's all over again...

That sounds cool, but why? can you give me some links? It would help me a ton.
 

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