Understand the mechanism of capillarity

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The discussion revolves around understanding the mechanism of capillarity, particularly how surface tension and forces interact to cause a liquid to rise in a capillary tube. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical expressions, and conceptual clarifications related to this phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how surface tension leads to the rise of liquid in a capillary tube, questioning the balance of forces acting on the liquid molecules.
  • One participant suggests that the mass of fluid lifted above the surface level outside the capillary provides the reaction force necessary for the surface tension force to lift the liquid.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the expression for net upward force, 2*pi*rcos(theta)*T, and its derivation.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between surface tension and intermolecular attraction, with one suggesting that surface tension arises from extra attraction among surface molecules.
  • There is a discussion about equilibrium, where one participant states that at equilibrium, the upward force from tension equals the downward gravitational force on the displaced liquid.
  • Concerns are raised about the perceived lack of imbalance in forces acting on the liquid, leading to further questioning of the underlying principles of capillarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and uncertainty regarding the mechanism of capillarity, with multiple competing views on the role of forces and surface tension. The discussion remains unresolved as participants seek clarification and understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the forces involved in capillarity, including the need for a deeper understanding of surface tension and its relationship to other forces. There are unresolved questions regarding the derivation of mathematical expressions and the conceptual framework of the phenomenon.

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I can't convince myself that I understand the mechanism of capillarity.
Say the liquid is of that type that rises through a capillary tube. So it's contact angle should be an acute angle.
Liquid molecules on the surface (in contact of gas) exert a force on the wall (of capilary tube) due to surface tension. According to Newtons third law the wall also exert an equal and opposite force on the molecules in contact. These molecules are also attracted by a same force by their neibouring molecules. These two force should cancel each other, if so then we should not observe the rise...

the book on the table feels a reaction force upward due to its weight, but it does not rises up. Same idea. The molecules in contact with the wall are constantly under the force, it is exerting on the wall. The wall only does something to make things steady. But why there is a rise?

I am sure I am missing something or i have some fundamental misconceptions about the source of surface tension...
 
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Ahmed Abdullah said:
I can't convince myself that I understand the mechanism of capillarity.
Say the liquid is of that type that rises through a capillary tube. So it's contact angle should be an acute angle.
Liquid molecules on the surface (in contact of gas) exert a force on the wall (of capilary tube) due to surface tension. According to Newtons third law the wall also exert an equal and opposite

--- and, tow cables push cars, planes, ships; fishing lines push fish --- careful that you don't substitute intuition for Newton's third.

force on the molecules in contact. These molecules are also attracted by a same force by their neibouring molecules. These two force should cancel

They do; this is what makes capillary rise useful for measuring surface tension.

each other, if so then we should not observe the rise...

the book on the table feels a reaction force upward due to its weight, but it does not rises up. Same idea.

Mass of fluid lifted above surface level outside the capillary provides the reaction force to the surface tension force lifting it in the capillary (or depressing it --- Hg in glass).

The molecules in contact with the wall are constantly under the force, it is exerting on the wall. The wall only does something to make things steady. But why there is a rise?

I am sure I am missing something or i have some fundamental misconceptions about the source of surface tension...
 
Bystander said:
Mass of fluid lifted above surface level outside the capillary provides the reaction force to the surface tension force lifting it in the capillary (or depressing it --- Hg in glass).

Can you simply show how the net force over the liquid ( in a capillary tube) is 2*pi*rcos(theta)*T?
 
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Ahmed Abdullah said:
Can you simply show how the net force over the liquid ( in a capillary tube) is 2*pi*rcos(theta)*T?

If a rhetorical question: yes.

If a question of your understanding: what part of the expression do you not understand?
 
For a rise the liquid must feel some net upward force.
It is said that 2*pi*rcos(theta)*T is the net upward force. But how? The liquid molecules in contact with the wall attract the wall. It is the tension force. The wall also attract the molecules ( it is the reaction force ). So the water molecules are attracted from every direction. So there is no imbalance of force. This part is bothering me.
Hope you understand the problem...
 
Another question: Is there any difference between surface tension and intermolecular(between like and unlike molecules) attraction?
I think the surface tension is due to the extra attraction among surface molecules.
 
Ahmed Abdullah said:
For a rise the liquid must feel some net upward force.

At equilibrium there is zero net force; the upward force, from tension, equals the reaction force, mass of liquid displaced upward times g.

It is said that 2*pi*rcos(theta)*T is the net upward force. But how? The liquid molecules in contact with the wall attract the wall. It is the tension force. The wall also attract the molecules ( it is the reaction force ).

No. It is another way of describing the tension force. The reaction force is provided by gravity.

So the water molecules are attracted from every direction. So there is no imbalance of force. This part is bothering me.
Hope you understand the problem...

Equilibrium. Zero net force --- you hang your coat on a hook on the wall --- gravity pulls it down and the hook pulls it up --- zero net force, and it hangs there stationary. You hang the liquid on the wall of the capillary --- gravity pulls it down and surface tension pulls it up.
 

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