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The discussion centers around a problem in ring theory involving the structure of the ring \( R = \frac{\mathbb{C}[x]}{(f)} \), where \( f(x) \) is a nonzero polynomial of degree \( n \). Participants explore the implications of this structure, particularly regarding the number of distinct ideals in \( R \) and the relationships between ideals and divisors of \( f \).

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  • One participant asks for clarification on the notation \( R=\frac{\mathbb{C}[x]}{(f)} \longleftarrow \frac{J}{(f)} \) and its implications for ideals in \( \mathbb{C}[x] \).
  • Another participant suggests that \( (u \cdot g) = (g) \) implies \( u \in \mathbb{C} \) and discusses the significance of monic generators for ideals.
  • It is noted that \( \mathbb{C}[x] \) is a Euclidean domain and a principal ideal domain (PID), which leads to the conclusion that if \( (f) \subset (g) \), then \( g \) must be a divisor of \( f \).
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the Correspondence Theorem and requests examples to clarify its application.
  • One participant questions the validity of the claim that there are \( 2^n \) distinct ideals, suggesting that the number of ideals corresponds to the number of monic divisors of the polynomial, which could be fewer than \( 2^n \) if the polynomial is irreducible.
  • Another participant reiterates that the number of ideals is determined by the number of monic divisors of \( f \), challenging the previous assertion of \( 2^n \) as potentially incorrect.

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Participants express differing views on the number of distinct ideals in the ring \( R \). While some support the idea of \( 2^n \) distinct ideals based on counting monic divisors, others contest this, suggesting that the actual number may vary depending on the irreducibility of the polynomial \( f \). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact count of distinct ideals.

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Participants reference several theorems related to polynomial rings, including properties of Euclidean domains and the structure of ideals, but there is uncertainty about their application and relevance to the problem at hand.

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Can someone here help me fill in the gaps of my understanding for this problem? I would appreciate it.

**Problem:** If $f(x) \in \mathbb{C}[x]$ is a nonzero polynomial of degree $n$, prove that the ring $R=\frac{\mathbb{C}[x]}{(f)}$ has finitely many distinct ideals. How many distinct ideals does it have?

**Teacher's explanation:** $$R=\frac{\mathbb{C}[x]}{(f)} \longleftarrow \frac{J}{(f)}$$ means that $J \supseteq (f).$

*She mentioned that $(u \cdot g) = (g)$, but I don't see how.*

Now, $\frac{(g)}{(f)}$ where $(g) \supseteq (f)$, implies that $f \in (g)$. Thus $f$ is a multiple of $g$ and $g|f$. Thus $g$ is a monic divisor of $f$. Note that $f=c(x-x_1)(x-x_2)\cdots(x-x_n)$ by the Linear Factorization Theorem. Now we count the monic divisors of $f$, which turns out to be:
$$ 1, (x-x_1), \ldots, (x-x_n)$$ and all products of the linear factors. Thus there are $2^n$ distinct ideals.

**My questions:**
What does $R=\frac{\mathbb{C}[x]}{(f)} \longleftarrow \frac{J}{(f)}$ mean? Why is $(u \cdot g) = (g)?$ How does counting the monic divisors of $f$ correlate with the number of distinct ideals?

Thanks.

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Hi,

I haven't seen before that notation with the arrow, I guess is just saying $J$ being an ideal on the quotient implies $J$ is an ideal of $C[X]$ which contain $(f)$.

$(u\cdot g)=(g)$ I suppose $u\in \mathbb{C}$, and that means we can always consider a monic generator for any ideal.

$\mathbb{C}[X]$ is an Euclidean domain, so also a $PID$, and $(f)\subset (g)$ means that there exist some polynomial $h$ such that $f=gh$ so $g$ is a divisor of $f$, and monic for the reason above.
 
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Fallen Angel said:
Hi,

I haven't seen before that notation with the arrow, I guess is just saying $J$ being an ideal on the quotient implies $J$ is an ideal of $C[X]$ which contain $(f)$.

$(u\cdot g)=(g)$ I suppose $u\in \mathbb{C}$, and that means we can always consider a monic generator for any ideal.

$\mathbb{C}[X]$ is an Euclidean domain, so also a $PID$, and $(f)\subset (g)$ means that there exist some polynomial $h$ such that $f=gh$ so $g$ is a divisor of $f$, and monic for the reason above.

We haven't learned about domains or PIDs yet, and I'm still unsure of how $(u\cdot g)=(g).$ Also, where does the Correspondence Theorem come into play? Could you please elaborate with some examples?
 
Hi Kalish,

I will state a couple of theorems that I was assuming you know, let me know if you have heard about it or have some trouble proving it.

Theorem 1
If $K$ is a field, then $K[X]$ is an euclidean domain, i.e. for any given polynomials $f(x),g(x)\in K[X]$ there exists two polynomials $q(x),r(x)\in K[X]$ such that
$\bullet$ $f(x)=g(x)q(x)+r(x)$
$\bullet$ $deg(r)\leq deg(g)-1$
Furthermore, this polynomials are unique.Theorem 2 (Bezout's identity restricted to $K[X]$)
Let $K[X]$ be the ring of polynomials over a field and let $f_{1},f_{2},\ldots f_{n}\in K[X]$ be a finite set of polynomials such that $gcd(f_{1},f_{2},\ldots ,f_{n})=h$, then there exists $g_{1},g_{2},\ldots g_{n}\in K[X]$ such that
$h=\displaystyle\sum_{i=1}^{n}f_{i}g_{i}$

Theorem 3
Let $R$ be a ring and $I\subset R$ an ideal, if $a\in R^{*}$ then $I=aI$, where $R^{*}$ is the set of all elements in $R$ that have an inverse with respect to the multiplication.

Theorem 4
Let $R$ be a ring and $I\subset R$ an ideal, and $\pi_{I}: R \longrightarrow R/I$.
$\hspace{8cm} r \ \ \mapsto \ r+I$
Then $J\subseteq R/I$ is an ideal of the quotient ring if and only if it there exists an ideal $J'\subseteq R$ containing $I$ such that $\pi_{I}(J')=J$.
 
Thanks for that. Do you think $2^n$ is correct for the number of distinct ideals?

Fallen Angel said:
Hi Kalish,

I will state a couple of theorems that I was assuming you know, let me know if you have heard about it or have some trouble proving it.

Theorem 1
If $K$ is a field, then $K[X]$ is an euclidean domain, i.e. for any given polynomials $f(x),g(x)\in K[X]$ there exists two polynomials $q(x),r(x)\in K[X]$ such that
$\bullet$ $f(x)=g(x)q(x)+r(x)$
$\bullet$ $deg(r)\leq deg(g)-1$
Furthermore, this polynomials are unique.Theorem 2 (Bezout's identity restricted to $K[X]$)
Let $K[X]$ be the ring of polynomials over a field and let $f_{1},f_{2},\ldots f_{n}\in K[X]$ be a finite set of polynomials such that $gcd(f_{1},f_{2},\ldots ,f_{n})=h$, then there exists $g_{1},g_{2},\ldots g_{n}\in K[X]$ such that
$h=\displaystyle\sum_{i=1}^{n}f_{i}g_{i}$

Theorem 3
Let $R$ be a ring and $I\subset R$ an ideal, if $a\in R^{*}$ then $I=aI$, where $R^{*}$ is the set of all elements in $R$ that have an inverse with respect to the multiplication.

Theorem 4
Let $R$ be a ring and $I\subset R$ an ideal, and $\pi_{I}: R \longrightarrow R/I$.
$\hspace{8cm} r \ \ \mapsto \ r+I$
Then $J\subseteq R/I$ is an ideal of the quotient ring if and only if it there exists an ideal $J'\subseteq R$ containing $I$ such that $\pi_{I}(J')=J$.
 
No, it makes no sense.

The number of ideals will be the number of monic divisors of the polinomyal, so it can be just 2 if the polyomial is irreducible or whatever if not.

The four theorems above are the way to prove it. (They are the hidden facts in you first prove)
 

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