Understanding Acoustic Peaks Beyond Last Scattering

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The discussion revolves around the nature and origins of acoustic peaks in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), particularly focusing on the relationship between these peaks and the last scattering event. Participants explore the implications of acoustic oscillations in the early universe and their representation in the CMB, without delving into mathematical details.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the first acoustic peak corresponds to oscillations at last scattering, suggesting that many oscillations occurred prior to that event.
  • Another participant asserts that acoustic peaks are due to gravitational and photon pressure interactions causing plasma oscillations in the early universe, but raises confusion about the origins of smaller peaks after last scattering.
  • A later reply reflects on the relationship between the size of the first peak and the particle horizon, suggesting that the first peak corresponds to the largest sound horizon from the earliest oscillations, while smaller peaks arise from later oscillations.
  • Another participant proposes that the smaller peaks are harmonics of the larger oscillations, with temperature fluctuations affected by diffusion during recombination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and differing interpretations regarding the origins of the acoustic peaks, particularly the relationship between the first peak and last scattering, as well as the nature of the smaller peaks. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of the topic, with some expressing that their conclusions are based on logical reasoning rather than established facts.

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I am supposed to have a qualitive knowledge of acoustic peaks for my exam, so none of the maths. After reading around I am still left with a few questions.

Is the first acoustic peak from the acoustic oscillations at last scattering? I imagine there were many oscillations before then but we just won't know about them. The first acoustic peak is about 2 degrees in the sky, which is the same size as the particle horizon since last scattering so it would make sense it happened then. (I used 'particle horizon' meaning the distance photons could have traveled since last scattering, I hope I used it right).

If this is right: How did the rest of the acoustic peaks get there? The next one is about 0.4 of a degree and that must be waaay past last scattering, so there would be no plasma to oscillate!

Thanks for any help. And if what I said above doesn't make any sense, don't blame me, blame my useless course text!
 
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Accoustic peaks are radiation shocks in the CMB. Does that help?
 
Chronos said:
Accoustic peaks are radiation shocks in the CMB. Does that help?

Nope sorry. Acoustic peaks are due to gravitation vs photon pressure causing plasma oscillations in the early universe (when it was all plasma). Then last scattering happened, so no more plasma to oscillate and and we see the evidence as fluctuations in the CMB (radiation shocks from the oscillating plasma).

The first peak is 2 degrees in the sky, agreeing with the particle horizon since last scattering. How oh how did the other smaller peaks get there? The second peak covers 0.4 of a degree, anything that happened at last scattering should have spread to 2 degrees in the sky. If it happened after last scattering then what caused the peaks (as there was no plasma to oscillate)?
 
My google searches for answers took me back to my post! That can't be a good sign.

Thinking further I'm staring to think I'm wrong saying:

superg33k said:
The first acoustic peak is about 2 degrees in the sky, which is the same size as the particle horizon since last scattering so it would make sense it happened then.

superg33k said:
The first peak is 2 degrees in the sky, agreeing with the particle horizon since last scattering.

These don't make sense. I doesn't matter what size the particle horizon is SINCE last scattering. It matters what the particle horizon was AT last scattering. So the first peak corresponds to the biggest sound horizon from the earliest oscillation, and the other peaks from later times and their sound horizon won't be as big. Then when last scattering happened they were released at their current size as fluctuations in the CMB.

Well this makes more sense to me, but it is just me taking a logical informed guess. And it disagree's with some other things I've read. :(
 
Well it seems that these smaller (angle, and hence size) peaks are the harmonics of the big (sound horizon size) oscillations. And their smaller temperature fluctuations is due to diffusion at recombination that thermalized a little which effected the smaller sized peaks more than the bigger.
 
superg33k said:
Well it seems that these smaller (angle, and hence size) peaks are the harmonics of the big (sound horizon size) oscillations. And their smaller temperature fluctuations is due to diffusion at recombination that thermalized a little which effected the smaller sized peaks more than the bigger.

Right. See, for example,

http://nicadd.niu.edu/~bterzic/PHYS652/Lecture_20.pdf.
 

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