Understanding Binary Relations: Reflexivity, Symmetry, and More

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The discussion focuses on analyzing various binary relations defined on non-negative integers to determine their properties: reflexivity, symmetry, anti-symmetry, transitivity, and whether they qualify as partial orders. The user specifically explores relation B, defined as B(x,y) being true if x < y, concluding it is not reflexive or symmetric, but is anti-symmetric and transitive. Confusion arises regarding the definitions, particularly around symmetry and the implications of switching variables in true instances. The user seeks clarification on how these properties apply to the relations and expresses a desire for guidance rather than direct answers. Understanding these concepts is crucial for correctly categorizing the given binary relations.
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Homework Statement


Consider the following binary relations on the naturals (non-negative integers). Which ones are reflexive? Symmetric? Anti-symmetric? Transitive? Partial orders?

a) A(x,y) true if and only if y is even
b) B(x,y) true if and only if x < y
c) C(x,y) true if and only if x+2 >= y
d) D(x,y) true if and only if x != y

Homework Equations


Relation R is reflexive if it always holds for an element and itself.
Relation R is symmetric if you can switch the variables in a true instance to keep it true.
Relation R is antisymmetric if you can switch the variables in a true instance (and the variables aren't equal) you get a false instance.
Relation R is transitive if you can chain two true instances involving the same variable y to get a true instance. e.g. (x,y)^(y,z) -> (x,z)

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so I really don't know what to do here and I need a push in the right direction. Note that I don't want the answers, I just need some help understanding what's going on here.

For B [B(x,y) is defined to be true if and only if x < y]... I reasoned that:

- It's not reflexive since x<x is false for all naturals if both sides are incrementing at the same pace...?

- It's not symmetric, I guess, because switching the variables to y<x is obviously false because x<y is true.

- I guess it's anti-symmetric because switching the variables around make it false? And when they aren't equal? But then if we're looking at cases when x and y aren't equal, can't we prove it's symmetric by taking a y value less than x??

- As for being transitive, I guess it's true because the third variable could be even? But it could also be odd..?

I'm confused about how, for example, a relation can't be symmetric. Unless X is 1, can't there always be a Y greater OR less than X??

Thanks.
 
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Homework Statement


Consider the following binary relations on the naturals (non-negative integers). Which ones are reflexive? Symmetric? Anti-symmetric? Transitive? Partial orders?

a) A(x,y) true if and only if y is even
b) B(x,y) true if and only if x < y
c) C(x,y) true if and only if x+2 >= y
d) D(x,y) true if and only if x != y

Homework Equations


Relation R is reflexive if it always holds for an element and itself.
Relation R is symmetric if you can switch the variables in a true instance to keep it true.
Relation R is antisymmetric if you can switch the variables in a true instance (and the variables aren't equal) you get a false instance.
Relation R is transitive if you can chain two true instances involving the same variable y to get a true instance. e.g. (x,y)^(y,z) -> (x,z)

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so I really don't know what to do here and I need a push in the right direction. Note that I don't want the answers, I just need some help understanding what's going on here.

For B [B(x,y) is defined to be true if and only if x < y]... I reasoned that:

- It's not reflexive since x<x is false for all naturals if both sides are incrementing at the same pace...?
Correct
- It's not symmetric, I guess, because switching the variables to y<x is obviously false because x<y is true.
Correct
- I guess it's anti-symmetric because switching the variables around make it false? And when they aren't equal? But then if we're looking at cases when x and y aren't equal, can't we prove it's symmetric by taking a y value less than x??
Yes, it is antisymmetric. For your second question, no. For it to be symmetric, for every case where x < y you would have to have y < x for that x and y.
- As for being transitive, I guess it's true because the third variable could be even? But it could also be odd..?
What do even and odd have to do with it?? If x < y and y < z, is it true or not that it must be that x < z. That will tell you whether it is transitive.
I'm confused about how, for example, a relation can't be symmetric. Unless X is 1, can't there always be a Y greater OR less than X??

Thanks.

Hopefully the above explains it. Here's another example. Say person A is related to B if A is the parent of B. Is that symmetric?
 
Ooh, sorry I mixed in the first part of the problem by mistake with the evens and odds, but thank you; it makes sense now.
 
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