Understanding Boltzman Equation: Probability of Energy in an Ideal Gas

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The discussion revolves around the Boltzmann equation and its implications for the probability of energy states in an ideal gas. Participants explore the interpretation of the equation in relation to individual particles versus the entire gas, as well as the behavior of probabilities as the number of particles increases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Boltzmann equation describes the probability that a randomly selected atom from an ideal gas has a specific energy, E_i.
  • Others argue that the equation may also imply a broader probability concerning the energy of the entire gas.
  • One participant questions why the ratio of probabilities for finding atoms with specific energies aligns with the ratio of their numbers only when the number of atoms approaches infinity.
  • A later reply suggests that this alignment does not require a large number of particles, asserting that a smaller number can still reflect the distribution of probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a large number of particles for the probability ratios to hold, indicating an unresolved debate on this aspect of the Boltzmann equation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the implications of the Boltzmann equation, particularly regarding the assumptions about particle numbers and the conditions under which the probabilities are evaluated.

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1)Boltzmann equation states that P(E_i)=g_i * exp(-E_i/kT) / Sigma_j(g_j * exp(-E_j/kT)).
Does it tell us that the probability that the energy of an atom which we have selected from an ideal gas with tempreture K be E_i? Whether it is the probability the energy of whole gas be E_i?
2) why the ratio of the probability of finding atoms with a specific energy is the same as the ration of their number, when the number of atoms goes to infinity?
 
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shirin said:
Hi
1)Boltzmann equation states that P(E_i)=g_i * exp(-E_i/kT) / Sigma_j(g_j * exp(-E_j/kT)).
Does it tell us that the probability that the energy of an atom which we have selected from an ideal gas with tempreture K be E_i? Whether it is the probability the energy of whole gas be E_i?
The first one-- it's the probability that a given particle that is randomly chosen will have energy E_i.
2) why the ratio of the probability of finding atoms with a specific energy is the same as the ration of their number, when the number of atoms goes to infinity?
Because if you are choosing a particle at random, the probability it will have a certain attribute equals the fraction of the particles that have that attribute.
 
about question 2:
I don't unserstand why it happens when the number of particles goes to infinity. I mean isn't it true for a limited number of particles?
 
Yes, it is not necessary to have a large number of particles. All that does is "fill in" the distribution, so the probabilities also correspond to the actual distribution you get.
 

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