Understanding Changes in Tap Water pH Over Time

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The discussion revolves around the factors influencing the changes in pH of tap water over time, particularly focusing on the roles of carbon dioxide and chlorine, as well as the effects of temperature and gas transfer dynamics. The scope includes theoretical considerations and exploratory reasoning regarding chemical interactions and environmental influences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the rise or decline in pH is influenced by the release or absorption of carbon dioxide, which can vary based on its concentration in the surrounding air.
  • Others argue that surface agitation, such as air flow or water movement, may enhance gas transfer, thereby affecting the rate of pH change.
  • One participant questions the role of chlorine, suggesting it may slightly acidify the water but is generally less impactful on pH compared to carbon dioxide due to its lower concentration.
  • A participant raises the question of temperature's effect on gas transfer, specifically whether warmer water facilitates quicker pH changes.
  • Another participant distinguishes between equilibrium pH and the rate of achieving that equilibrium, noting that temperature affects both aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that carbon dioxide and chlorine play roles in pH changes, but there is no consensus on the relative significance of these factors or the specific effects of temperature and surface agitation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mechanisms and interactions involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of transport phenomena and the challenges in predicting pH changes over time, as well as the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature and gas concentrations.

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Why does tap water ph rise or decline after it has been set aside for a period of time.

I've heard that Co2 or chlorine 'gas off' and the result in loss if CO2 can raise ph?
 
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Both are definitely a factor here.

Carbon dioxide can work both ways - depending on the concentration of CO2 in the air near the water source and and in your house it can either leave the water, or dissolve, changing pH up or down.
 
Borek said:
Both are definitely a factor here.

Carbon dioxide can work both ways - depending on the concentration of CO2 in the air near the water source and and in your house it can either leave the water, or dissolve, changing pH up or down.
I suppose the rate in which it changed would also depend on whether there was surface agitation provided by some kind of air flow or water fall which would break the surface enabling better/easier gas transfer?

What part does chlorine play? I've tried to seek explanations online but have been unsuccessful so far.
 
caliban07 said:
I suppose the rate in which it changed would also depend on whether there was surface agitation provided by some kind of air flow or water fall which would break the surface enabling better/easier gas transfer?

Definitely.

What part does chlorine play? I've tried to seek explanations online but have been unsuccessful so far.

It should slightly acidify the solution, as it reacts with water producing two acid - HCl and HOCl. But chlorine concentrations in tap water are orders of magnitude lower than concentrations of carbon dioxide, so in most applications their effect on pH can be ignored.
 
What about the temperature of the water? Would that have an effect on the way the gas is transferred ie does warmer water have a better gas transfer at the surface that would change ph faster or change the ph all together?

I'm only talking warm in the region of 26-30 degrees C
 
There are two different things here.

One, is what is happening at the equilibrium, the other is how fast we get to that equilibrium. Both depend on the temperature.

Note, that is much easier to calculate equilibrium (final) pH, that to predict pH changes in time (transport phenomena can get incredibly complicated even in what looks like a simple case).
 

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