Understanding Comoving Hubble Radius

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The comoving Hubble radius is defined as (aH)^-1, where 'a' is the scale factor and 'H' is the Hubble parameter, representing the distance over which particles can travel during one expansion time. This concept implies that if particles are separated by distances greater than the Hubble radius, they cannot currently communicate, as they are beyond the reach of each other's influence due to the universe's expansion. The discussion highlights confusion around the relationship between the comoving Hubble radius and the ability of particles to communicate, particularly regarding the notion of "currently communicate." The distinction between the comoving Hubble radius and the comoving horizon scale is also emphasized, with the latter indicating distances that have never been able to communicate. Overall, the thread seeks clarity on these cosmological concepts and their implications for particle interaction in an expanding universe.
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I know this is dumb, but I'm just not getting any sort of intuition for what the "comoving Hubble radius" is. I have the definition in front of me in a book which says that it is equal to (in c = 1 units):

(aH)-1

With a being the scale factor and H the Hubble parameter. So basically, it must be equal to dt/da. Later on, there is a statement that it is the "distance over which particles can travel in the course of one expansion time i.e. roughly the time in which the scale factor doubles." I'm not seeing how that follows from the definition. Later still, the book states: "...if [particles] are separated by distances larger than the Hubble radius, then they cannot currently communicate." I'm not seeing how this statement follows from the previous one. I'm not sure if I even understand what "currently communicate" means since communication can't happen instantaneously anyway.

The book is careful to make a distinction between this and the comoving horizon scale, which I understand perfectly well. If particles are separated by a comoving distance greater than the comoving horizon scale, then they could never have communicated in the history of the universe, since it represents the largest distance over which information can have propagated at any time.
 
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cepheid said:
I know this is dumb, but I'm just not getting any sort of intuition for what the "comoving Hubble radius" is. I have the definition in front of me in a book

The book in front of you (which is also in front of me) is not very pedagogical. For a nice discussion of cosmological horizons (with different notation), see section 15.12 from General Relativity: An Introduction for Physicists by Hobson, Efstathiou, and Lasenby. You might be able to read this section from Google Books.
cepheid said:
which says that it is equal to (in c = 1 units):

(aH)-1

With a being the scale factor and H the Hubble parameter. So basically, it must be equal to dt/da. Later on, there is a statement that it is the "distance over which particles can travel in the course of one expansion time i.e. roughly the time in which the scale factor doubles." I'm not seeing how that follows from the definition.

"one expansion time" suggests exponential growth, so take H constant and

a \left(t \right) = a_0 e^{Ht}.

The metric restricted to constant angular part (i.e., d \Omega^2 = 0) is given by

ds^2 = dt^2 - a\left(t\right)^2 d \chi^{2},

where \chi is comoving distance.

On a photon's worldline, ds^2 = 0, and

d \chi = \frac{dt}{a\left(t\right)}

Suppose a photon is emitted at time t_e and received at time t. The comoving distance traveled by the photon is

\chi = \int^t_{t_e} \frac{dt&#039;}{a\left(t&#039;\right)} = \int^a_{a_e} \frac{da&#039;}{a&#039; \dot{a}&#039;}<br />

This is a general expression. What to you get for exponential growth with with the scale factor at reception bigger by a factor of e than the scale factor at emission?
cepheid said:
Later still, the book states: "...if [particles] are separated by distances larger than the Hubble radius, then they cannot currently communicate." I'm not seeing how this statement follows from the previous one. I'm not sure if I even understand what "currently communicate" means since communication can't happen instantaneously anyway.

I don't like the way this is written. Proper distance is given by d = a \chi, and for a galaxy with no peculiar velocity, proper recession velocity is

\dot{d} = \dot{a} \chi.

Thus, proper recession velocity is the speed of light at the comoving Hubble radius.
 
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I appreciate the helpful response, and I want to look into this, I'm just bogged down with some other work right now. I'll post a proper response once I've had a chance to look at that other reference (it'll be a few days).
 

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