Understanding Connectedness in Planar Sets: A Brief Overview

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "connectedness" in the context of planar sets, particularly focusing on the definitions and implications of connected and path-connected sets as presented in a textbook. Participants explore the criteria for determining whether a set is connected and the challenges associated with this concept.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how to determine if a set is connected, questioning whether they can simply pick any two points in the set.
  • It is suggested that to prove a set is connected, one must demonstrate that any two points can be connected by a polygonal path that lies entirely within the set.
  • Participants note that to show a set is not connected, one can provide a counter-example where two points cannot be connected by such a path.
  • One participant mentions that connected sets can be easy to identify, citing that any open ball and the entire plane are connected.
  • Another participant points out that the definition discussed pertains to path-connected sets, indicating that a set can be connected without being path-connected.
  • There is a mention that in Euclidean space, the concepts of connectedness and path-connectedness coincide for open sets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of connectedness and path-connectedness, but there is some disagreement regarding the implications and examples provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities and constraints involved in determining connectedness in various sets.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for specific conditions when assessing connectedness, indicating that certain sets may impose significant constraints on the points involved. There is also a distinction made between connectedness and path-connectedness that remains a point of discussion.

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I don't get the meaning of "connected" in the chapter of planar sets.
The textbook said " An open set S is said to be connected if every pair of points z1, z2 in S can be joined by a polygonal path that lies entirely in S"

So do i just randomly pick 2 points in S to check if they are both in S?
but if i pick a point in S, how can it not being in S...
and my questions is, what points do i pick to check if it is connected.

Thanks
 
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nickolas2730 said:
I don't get the meaning of "connected" in the chapter of planar sets.
The textbook said " An open set S is said to be connected if every pair of points z1, z2 in S can be joined by a polygonal path that lies entirely in S"

So do i just randomly pick 2 points in S to check if they are both in S?
but if i pick a point in S, how can it not being in S...
and my questions is, what points do i pick to check if it is connected.

Thanks

you need to check that the path connecting them can be chosen to lie completely in S.
 
You cannot just pick two points. In order to show that a set is "connected" in this sense, you would have to show that any two points have such a have such a path connecting them. And you do not just check that two points "are in S", you show that there exist a polygonal path connecting them that lies in S- that is, all points on the path are in S.

Two prove that a set is NOT connected you only need to give a "counter-example" - two points in the set such that a path connecting them cannot lie in the set. For example the set {(x, y)| xy> 0}, where x and y are numbers, is not connected since any path from (1, 1) to (-1, -1) must pass through a point where either x or y is 0- and such a point is not in the set.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You cannot just pick two points. In order to show that a set is "connected" in this sense, you would have to show that any two points have such a have such a path connecting them. And you do not just check that two points "are in S", you show that there exist a polygonal path connecting them that lies in S- that is, all points on the path are in S.

Two prove that a set is NOT connected you only need to give a "counter-example" - two points in the set such that a path connecting them cannot lie in the set. For example the set {(x, y)| xy> 0}, where x and y are numbers, is not connected since any path from (1, 1) to (-1, -1) must pass through a point where either x or y is 0- and such a point is not in the set.

Thank you so much,
as what i get, it is super hard to be connected except the set is very specific, right?
like, it makes many constrain for x and y.
 
nickolas2730 said:
Thank you so much,
as what i get, it is super hard to be connected except the set is very specific, right?
like, it makes many constrain for x and y.

Connected set are easy. Any open ball is connected. The entire plane is connected. Actually your definition is of a path connected set. It is possible for a set to be connected but not path connected.
 
but not for an open set in euclidean space. there the concepts coincide.
 

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