Understanding Core Loss Measurement

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This discussion focuses on measuring core loss in RF transformers and inductors, specifically referencing a PhD thesis that provides a practical method for understanding these measurements. The main confusion arises from equation 3.1, where the distinction between capital Ipp and lower-case ipp is clarified as a typo; Ipp should be replaced with ipp. Additionally, the impact of duty cycle D on core loss is explained, noting that duty cycles deviating from 50% introduce higher harmonic amplitudes, which increase core loss.

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reson8r
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Hello folks,

I'm looking for a way to measure core loss in RF transformers and inductors. I found a PhD thesis here:
https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstream/handle/10919/19296/Mu_M_D_2013.pdf
which looks like just the ticket, but I'm having trouble understanding key parts. I've tried contacting the author with no success.

Chapter 3 introduces a good practical method, but I'm stumped at eqn 3.1 (pg 66).
  • Why does Pcore depend on capital Ipp and not lower-case ipp? Capital Ipp results from the magnetizing inductance (Lm in fig 3.1), but lower-case ipp is the current step due to core loss.
  • Why does Pcore depend on duty cycle D? Driving fig 3.1 with a rectangular wave would result in a rectangular voltage across Rcore, so the power loss in Rcore shouldn't depend on D at all.
  • Not only do I not understand why D is in there, I don't see how its use in eqn 3.1 is derived.
In short, I pretty much don't get eqn 3.1 at all! If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Then perhaps eqn 3.2 will start making sense...

Gerrit
 
I've gotten to the bottom of this, with some help from elsewhere. There is indeed a typo in eqn 3.1 -- Ipp should be ipp. And page 23 of the paper does touch on core loss dependency on D. Duty cycles away from 50% contain higher harmonic amplitudes, which contribute to higher core loss. That makes sense!
 
Most likely this can only be answered by an "old timer". I am making measurements on an uA709 op amp (metal can). I would like to calculate the frequency rolloff curves (I can measure them). I assume the compensation is via the miller effect. To do the calculations I would need to know the gain of the transistors and the effective resistance seen at the compensation terminals, not including the values I put there. Anyone know those values?

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