Understanding Cosets and Subspaces in Linear Algebra

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of cosets and subspaces in linear algebra, exploring their definitions, differences, and visual interpretations. Participants engage with both theoretical and conceptual aspects of these topics.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the difference between cosets and subspaces, noting their encounter with cosets in linear algebra.
  • Another participant points out that cosets are typically associated with group theory rather than linear algebra, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of terminology.
  • A third participant explains that a coset can be viewed as a "translate" of a subspace and provides a mathematical definition, indicating that a coset is a subspace only if a specific condition is met (v ∈ W).
  • Further elaboration includes visual interpretations of subspaces in R³, describing them as planes or lines, and how cosets relate to these subspaces in terms of dimensionality.
  • One participant uses analogies, such as "infinitely thin straws" and "sheets of plywood," to illustrate the concept of cosets and their relationship to subspaces, emphasizing the dimensional aspects of these structures.
  • There is a discussion about the correspondence between dimensions of space, subspace, and coset space, suggesting a conceptual framework for understanding these relationships.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between cosets and subspaces, with some asserting that cosets belong to group theory while others attempt to connect them to linear algebra. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the terminology and conceptual clarity.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the appropriate context for cosets within linear algebra, indicating a potential overlap or confusion with group theory concepts. The definitions and visualizations provided may depend on specific interpretations and assumptions about vector spaces.

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Hi,
I have just begin with Linear Algebra.

I came across cosets and I don't understand what is the difference between cosets and subspaces?

thanx in advance.
 
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Where in the world did you run across "cosets" in Linear Algebra? Subspaces are a common topic in Linear Algebra but "cosets" are from group theory.
 
Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotient_vector_space" .

For a vector space V with a subspace W, a coset is a "translate" of W, i.e. something of the form v+W, where [itex]v \in V[/itex] and [itex]v+W = \{v + w : w \in W \}[/itex]. A coset v+W is not a subspace itself unless [itex]v \in W[/itex]. Try showing [itex]v + W[/itex] is a subspace if and only if [itex]v \in W[/itex].
HallsofIvy said:
Where in the world did you run across "cosets" in Linear Algebra? Subspaces are a common topic in Linear Algebra but "cosets" are from group theory.
What would you call the elements of a quotient vector space if not cosets? A vector space is an abelian group, so doesn't it make sense to call them cosets?
 
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although one can define subspaces and cosets abstractly, it is sometimes helpful to "see" what these things "are" in terms we can visualize.

so, for the purposes of this post, we will assume our "master vector space" is R3, which we can imagine as being very much like the space we live in.

spatially, all the information for a vector space, is encoded in a basis, which you can also think of as "a coordinate system". so dimension (the size of the basis) corresponds to "degrees of freedom of movement" how many coordinates you need to specify to say where something is. R3 has dimension 3, and the standard basis {(1,0,0),(0,1,0),(0,0,1)} is the usual "xyz"-coordinate system.

what is a subspace in R3? it is a vector space in R3 of equal or lesser dimension.

the 3-dimensional subspace of R3 is not that interesting, it's just R3.

2-dimensional subspaces ARE interesting. we call these "planes" (to be subspaces, they need to pass through the origin). if we have two linearly independent vectors (which in R3, means they aren't "on the same line") they determine a plane (every point in that plane is a linear combination of those two vectors).

1-dimensional subspaces are also interesting. these are all just scalar multiples of a single non-zero vector, and so are lines passing through the origin.

finally, the origin itself forms a rather dull vector space: {(0,0,0)}.

now...let's look at the cosets!

a coset of 0 = (0,0,0) is isn't very interesting at all, it's just an ordinary vector (x,y,z). cosets of R3 aren't very interesting, either, there's only one, R3 = (0,0,0) + R3
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a coset of a line L = t(a,b,c) is interesting, this is just a line of the form (x,y,z) + t(a,b,c), parallel to (a,b,c) and going through (x,y,z). you can think of this as the line L moved from (0,0,0) to (x,y,z), so it makes sense to call it: (x,y,z) + L. what does the "coset space" look like?

the way i like to imagine it, is as a bundle of infinite straws (really, really thin ones), all in the same direction. to say "which" straw we're on, we imagine a plane cutting through all the straws, so it just takes 2 coordinates. for example, if our line is the z-axis:

L = (0,0,t) = t(0,0,1) (where t can be any real number), then all the straws point "straight up" and we have a corresponence:

(x,y) <---> (x,y,z) + L (we don't care about the z-coordinate, because changing it doesn't change "which straw we're talking about").

ok, how about a coset of a plane P = s(a,b,c) + t(u,v,w)?

i think of this like a deck of "infinitely big cards", or like sheets of plywood, all stacked together. to specify "which sheet" we're on, we pick a line going through all the sheets, and by specifying a point on that line, we know which sheet we live on.

again, suppose our plane was the xy-plane, P = (s,t,0) = s(1,0,0) + t(0,1,0). then we have a correspondence between:

z <---> (x,y,z) + P (we don't care where in the xy-plane we are, just how far "up or down").

so a coset of a line (1-dimensional subspace) is a 2-dimensional "bundle of lines", and a coset of a plane is a 1-dimensional "stack of planes". note the relationship:

space subspace coset space
dim n...dim k...dim(n-k)

so another way to think of a coset space (or quotient space) is:

"shrink k dimensions down to 0" or "those k degrees of freedom aren't relevant", we are essentially "identifying all the elements of W" are being "equivalent", so if:

{w1,w2,...,wk,v1,...,vn-k} is our basis for V, we just "ignore" the "w-component" and use the "v-coordinates" when we talk about the vector u+W in V/W.
 

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