Understanding eg and t2g Symmetry in DOS Graphics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of eg and t2g symmetry in density of states (DOS) graphics, particularly in the context of transition metal complexes. Participants explore how these symmetries can be identified from DOS graphs and the implications for understanding electronic structure and spin states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how eg and t2g symmetries are determined from a single DOS graph, questioning the basis for such conclusions.
  • Others explain that the eg manifold typically consists of d(x²-y²) and dz² states, while the t2g manifold includes dxy, dyz, and dxz states.
  • It is suggested that individual projections can help distinguish between eg and t2g states, although this depends on the capabilities of the computational program used.
  • Some participants propose that the area under the peaks in the DOS graph may provide clues about the relative populations of eg and t2g states.
  • One participant notes that local symmetry and Coulomb repulsion can influence the energy levels of eg and t2g states, with eg states generally being higher in energy due to their orientation towards anions in octahedral coordination.
  • However, there is a consensus that the most reliable method to identify these states is through projections, and other methods can only provide educated guesses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that projections are necessary for definitive identification of eg and t2g states, but there are multiple competing views on how to interpret DOS graphs without projections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for identification and the implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the specific computational methods used for DOS calculations and the potential for ambiguity in interpreting peaks without clear projections.

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Dear all,

I found in many references the authors pointed out the eg and t2g band in the DOS graphics, and wrote in the text accordingly that it had eg symmetry (or t2g symmetry). How did they conclude that just from one Dos graphics (sometimes d projected)?

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Hi,
i really don't know what a DOS graphics is. But in transition metal complexes the electrons in the d orbital are usually placed in Eg (Eg is above T2g) and T2g states. And the way these electrons are placed gives information on spin-state and electronic structure as well.
hope it helps.
 
Rajini said:
Hi,
i really don't know what a DOS graphics is. But in transition metal complexes the electrons in the d orbital are usually placed in Eg (Eg is above T2g) and T2g states. And the way these electrons are placed gives information on spin-state and electronic structure as well.
hope it helps.

Hi, Rajini. Thank you for your reply. DOS means density of states. I agree with you that Eg is above T2g, but what I feel confused is that how can one know which peaks correspond to, for example, the Eg band from a single d-projected DOS graph? I guess I should provide a picture here for illustration(attachment). This is the spin polarized d-project DOS graph of Ni in Ni2MnGa(L21 structure), the author pointed out the eg peaks in it(saying in the text that they have the dz^2 and d(x^2-y^2) character). What the base is this?
 

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Hi,
Yes, it is known that DOS means density of (phonon) states. When you appended 'graphics' to DOS i was confused. For your question i really don't know the answer. Please read that paper fully..maybe somewhere they gave some reference..or you can lookup into solid-state physics books. sorry.
 
The eg manifold generally consists of the d(x^2-y^2) and the dz^2, whereas the t2g manifold consists of dxy, dyz, dxz. You could tell which is which by doing the individual projections. Also, since t2g contains 3 states and eg only contains 2, you could hazard a guess just by which set of peaks has greater area under them.
 
kanato said:
The eg manifold generally consists of the d(x^2-y^2) and the dz^2, whereas the t2g manifold consists of dxy, dyz, dxz. You could tell which is which by doing the individual projections. Also, since t2g contains 3 states and eg only contains 2, you could hazard a guess just by which set of peaks has greater area under them.

Hi, Kanato. You are right if individual projections could be made, we could tell the eg and t2g. I think that depends on the whether the program one use for calculation could do that job. For the second way you propose, it is a good idea that inspires me, and the question is, could we distinguish what we are looking for from the other peaks and what are the relative energy level of them? If this is solved, an appropriate guess could be made, I think.
 
The only sure fire way to identify the t2g vs. eg states is by doing the projections. There are some things you can look for to make an educated guess otherwise, such as looking at the formal electron configuration. Typically d states have a smaller bandwidth than s or p states, so you expect large peaks to be them. Also, within LDA a partially filled d subshell will almost always straddle the Fermi level. From there, if the DOS is clean enough you can make a guess as to which is eg or t2g based on the area. You can also consider the local symmetry, if you have a transition metal within an octahedron of anions, the orbitals which point directly toward those anions (the eg) will have a larger Coulomb repulsion with the anions as compared to the t2g states which have their density in pointing at the faces of the octahedron. This resulting in the eg being higher in energy.

But I stress again that the only way to know for sure is to do the projections.
 
kanato said:
The only sure fire way to identify the t2g vs. eg states is by doing the projections. There are some things you can look for to make an educated guess otherwise, such as looking at the formal electron configuration. Typically d states have a smaller bandwidth than s or p states, so you expect large peaks to be them. Also, within LDA a partially filled d subshell will almost always straddle the Fermi level. From there, if the DOS is clean enough you can make a guess as to which is eg or t2g based on the area. You can also consider the local symmetry, if you have a transition metal within an octahedron of anions, the orbitals which point directly toward those anions (the eg) will have a larger Coulomb repulsion with the anions as compared to the t2g states which have their density in pointing at the faces of the octahedron. This resulting in the eg being higher in energy.

But I stress again that the only way to know for sure is to do the projections.

Many thanks to you for the very nice discussion!
 

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