Understanding Eigenvalue Problems

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The discussion revolves around understanding eigenvalue problems, particularly in the context of Sturm-Liouville differential equations. Participants explore concepts such as orthogonality, completeness of function sets, and the representation of functions as infinite sums of eigenfunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the eigenfunctions associated with a Sturm-Liouville operator form an orthogonal set and questions whether any function can be approximated by an infinite sum of any set of orthogonal functions.
  • Another participant counters that the set of orthogonal functions must also be complete to serve as a basis for function approximation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the meaning of completeness in the context of function sets.
  • Completeness is explained as the ability for every function to be expressed as an expansion in the set, requiring a sufficient number of functions.
  • Several properties of Sturm-Liouville problems are noted, including that eigenfunctions are orthogonal, complete, and that each eigenvalue corresponds to one eigenfunction.
  • One participant confirms that if the orthogonal set of eigenfunctions forms a basis, any function can indeed be expressed as a linear combination of these functions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that proving a given set is complete can vary depending on the specific set in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of completeness for a set of functions to serve as a basis for approximating other functions. However, the discussion reflects some uncertainty regarding the conditions under which a set can be deemed complete and the implications of orthogonality.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific conditions required for completeness and the methods to prove it for different sets of functions.

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We are doing Eigenvalue problems in my Differential Equations class and I just want to make sure I understand some of these concepts. If anyone could look through my current understanding and guide me in the right direction that would be great!

So when you have some equation

L[y]=\lambda y

The set of eigenfunctions associated with the operator L[y] will always form an orthogonal set if it is a Sturm-Liouville differential equation. (And it is my understanding that any second order differential equation can be put into Sturm-Liouville form.)

Here is one question, can a function be approximated by an infinite sum of ANY set of orthogonal functions? My book does this a lot and I want to understand why. For example, solving the Sturm-Liouville problem..
L[y]+\mu r y =f
Through their analysis, they write f as..
f=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\gamma_n \phi_n
Where gamma is just the constants, and phi are the eigenfunctions. But, the eigenfunctions for the differential equation are in no way related to f. So is it fair to assume you can write an approximation of any function with an infinite sum of an orthogonal set of functions?

Thanks a lot!
 
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No the set of orthogonal functions must also be complete. This is obvious as a set like {cos(x),cos(10^10 x),cos(100^400 x),cos(1000^9000),...,cos((10^n)^(n^2 10^n)),...} would not be a basis. However Sturm-Liouville problems have eigenfunctions associated with them that have certain properties, among them orthoganality and completeness.
 
What does it mean for a set to be complete?
 
Complete means every function can be written as an expansion in the set.
ie g=sum aifi
We need a certain amount of functions for this to work.
Often we also want the functions to be so few that it can work in only one way.
The fact that the set is orthogonal only allows the expansion to be easily found if it exists, it does not mean that itt does exist.

In a regular Sturm-Liouville problem we are sure of several helpful facts

-If we know the eigenfunctions the eigenvalues are easily found (Rayleigh quotient).

-Each eigen value has one eigenfuncion

-The eigenfunctions are a complete set

-Each eigenfunction has one more zero than the previous one (the first has 1)

-There is a smallest eigenvalue, but they grow as large as desired

-eigenvalues are real

-eigenfunctions are orthogonal
 
A set of eigenvectors is "complete" if it forms a basis for the vector space.
 
SO basically, if the orthogonal set of eigenfunctions forms a basis in the vector space of functions, then any function can be written as a linear combination of these functions?

I am trying to make sense as to why "f" can be written the way it is. (In my original post.)
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Yes, that's the whole point! Any function can be written as a linear combination of a set of functions if and only if that set is "complete"- and that is exactly because "complete" means any function can be written as a linear combination of those functions!

Of course, the problem proving that a given set is complete. There are a variety of ways to do that, depending on the set.
 

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