Understanding Environment-Induced Superselection in Quantum Systems

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This discussion centers on the concept of environment-induced superselection in quantum systems, particularly focusing on the implications of a "slow" environment as described in Schlosshauer's book on decoherence. Participants explore the relationship between the energies of the environment and the energy eigenstates of a quantum system, as well as the implications for constants of motion and nondegeneracy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on what is meant by the environment being "slow," particularly in relation to the energies of the environment compared to the energy eigenstates of the system.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of "constants of motion," with some participants asserting that it refers to observables that do not change over time, such as energy, while others question whether position or momentum could also be considered constants of motion.
  • The term "nondegeneracy" is defined by some participants as referring to the situation where each energy eigenstate has a unique eigenvalue, contrasting with systems that have multiple eigenstates sharing the same energy.
  • Participants inquire about examples of systems where the environment is "slow" and how this affects the energy of the system, with references to specific cases like sugar handedness and the interaction of atoms within molecules.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between frequencies and energies, with some participants noting that the equation E = ħω applies broadly, not just to photons, while others express confusion about the relevance of photons to the discussion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the environment's energy levels being smaller than the separation between energy eigenstates, particularly in terms of quantum transitions and the stability of the system's state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations and questions regarding the concepts discussed, indicating that there is no consensus on several points, including the implications of a "slow" environment and the specific examples that illustrate these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the relationship between energy eigenstates and environmental energies, as well as the definitions of constants of motion and nondegeneracy. There are unresolved questions about the applicability of certain examples and the nature of quantum transitions in the context of environment-induced superselection.

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What exactly is the meaning of environment being slow?

Maximillian Schlosshauer book Decoherence mentions this:

"Let us now consider the situation in which the modes of the environment are "slow" in comparison with the evolution of the system. That is, we assume that the highest frequencies (i.e. energies) available in the environment are smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system. In this situation, the environment will be able to monitor only quantities which are constants of motion. In the case of nondegeneracy , this quantity will be the energy of the system, thus leading to the environment-induced superselection of the energy eigenstates for the system (i.e., eigenstates of the self-Hamiltonian of the system)."

1. If the energies in the environment is smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system, does it mean it is accepted or not (as quantum as I know only unit can be accepted in QM)?

2. Why did it mention "constants of motion".. it is talking about position? Or is momentum consider constants of motion, why?

3. What does "nondegeneracy" mean?

4. Can you give an example where the environment is "slow" and energy of the system is chosen?

Help appreciated much.
 
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fanieh said:
What exactly is the meaning of environment being slow?

The quote you give answers this: "[W]e assume that the highest frequencies (i.e. energies) available in the environment are smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system..."

fanieh said:
If the energies in the environment is smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system, does it mean it is accepted or not

What do you mean by "accepted"?

fanieh said:
Why did it mention "constants of motion".. it is talking about position?

No. A constant of the motion is an observable that does not change with time; i.e., it commutes with the Hamiltonian. The Hamiltonian itself, i.e., energy, is always one such observable. There may be others, depending on the specific system.

fanieh said:
What does "nondegeneracy" mean?

It means each eigenstate of the observable (energy in this case) has a different, unique eigenvalue. So in the case of energy, it means every energy eigenstate has a different energy. Some systems have multiple energy eigenstates with the same energy; that complicates the analysis.

fanieh said:
Can you give an example where the environment is "slow" and energy of the system is chosen?

Does the book give any?
 
PeterDonis said:
The quote you give answers this: "[W]e assume that the highest frequencies (i.e. energies) available in the environment are smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system..."

But in what sense are "frequencies" related to "energies".. is it talking about frequency of photons?

What do you mean by "accepted"?

Photons emit by quanta (whole numbers) and not like 1.5 or 1.6888... is this not related to the "... are smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system"... so I understood bigger than the separation as no longer whole number (quantum)... is it like the concept where only certain wavelength can fit the orbital of atoms?
No. A constant of the motion is an observable that does not change with time; i.e., it commutes with the Hamiltonian. The Hamiltonian itself, i.e., energy, is always one such observable. There may be others, depending on the specific system.
It means each eigenstate of the observable (energy in this case) has a different, unique eigenvalue. So in the case of energy, it means every energy eigenstate has a different energy. Some systems have multiple energy eigenstates with the same energy; that complicates the analysis.
Does the book give any?

I think it mentioned about sugar handedness or the fact atoms are hidden inside molecules hence can't interact (line of sight) with the environment preferred basis and so position not chosen... but I just want other or actual examples from other people.
 
fanieh said:
in what sense are "frequencies" related to "energies"

##E = \hbar \omega##. This applies to anything, not just a photon.

fanieh said:
Photons emit by quanta (whole numbers) and not like 1.5 or 1.6888... is this not related to the "... are smaller than the separation between the energy eigenstates of the system"...

The quote you give doesn't say anything specifically about photons, so I don't know why you are thinking of them specifically. The point is that for the system to go from one energy eigenstate to another, the energy has to come from somewhere, and the only place available is the environment. If the highest energies available in the environment are much smaller than the separation between the system's energy eigenstates, then the environment can't supply enough energy for the system to go from one energy eigenstate to another; so the system will just stay in the eigenstate it starts out in (which will usually be the ground state).
 

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