Understanding Feynman Diagrams: A Beginner's Guide

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The discussion revolves around understanding a complex integral related to quantum field theory (QFT) and Feynman diagrams, specifically in the context of quantum electrodynamics (QED). The original poster expresses a lack of background in quantum mechanics (QM) and QFT, having only completed introductory physics courses, and seeks resources to help comprehend the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's background and the challenges of tackling advanced QFT problems without foundational knowledge. Some suggest specific texts and resources, while others question the feasibility of understanding the problem without prior coursework in QM and QFT.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing suggestions for resources and questioning the original poster's understanding of the symbols and terms involved in the integral. There is a recognition of the complexity of the topic, and some participants express the need for more specific questions to facilitate further discussion.

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Participants note the original poster's limited experience with QM and QFT, which may hinder their ability to grasp the intricacies of the problem. There is an acknowledgment that a significant amount of foundational knowledge is typically required to fully understand such calculations.

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Homework Statement


i've never had a QM class let alone QFT, I've only even had intro physics 1 & 2, but I've been given a problem that is very similar to this:

-ie^3 \int {d^4 q \over (2\pi)^4} \gamma^\mu {i (\gamma^\alpha (r-q)_\alpha + m) \over (r-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\rho {i (\gamma^\beta (p-q)_\beta + m) \over (p-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\nu {-i g_{\mu\nu} \over q^2 + i\epsilon }

it's obviously not essential i know how to do this for a test or anything, but what can i read to be able to begin to attack this problem? I've the sections from peskin and shroeder on feyman parameters and dimensional regularization but i can't really make sense of those either.

any ideas? I'm going to be talking to one of my professors about it on monday hopefully.
 
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ice109 said:

Homework Statement


i've never had a QM class let alone QFT, I've only even had intro physics 1 & 2, but I've been given a problem that is very similar to this:

-ie^3 \int {d^4 q \over (2\pi)^4} \gamma^\mu {i (\gamma^\alpha (r-q)_\alpha + m) \over (r-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\rho {i (\gamma^\beta (p-q)_\beta + m) \over (p-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\nu {-i g_{\mu\nu} \over q^2 + i\epsilon }

it's obviously not essential i know how to do this for a test or anything, but what can i read to be able to begin to attack this problem? I've the sections from peskin and shroeder on feyman parameters and dimensional regularization but i can't really make sense of those either.

any ideas? I'm going to be talking to one of my professors about it on monday hopefully.

Looks like you are calculating a radiative correction to the QED vertex.

I think Peskin and Schroeder go over that. If not, it is a well-known problem that you should be able to find in textbooks.
 
olgranpappy said:
Looks like you are calculating a radiative correction to the QED vertex.

I think Peskin and Schroeder go over that. If not, it is a well-known problem that you should be able to find in textbooks.

later i'll post the problem I'm doing, but like i said that is not the problem I'm doing. also i don't need to know how to mechanically do it, it's already done, i would like to be able to understand how to do it
 
That's a titanic question, along the lines of 'how I do all thermodynamics problems?'. You know that, right? This is a homework helpers forum, not a lecture series. You'll have to be much more specific.
 
Dick said:
That's a titanic question, along the lines of 'how I do all thermodynamics problems?'. You know that, right? This is a homework helpers forum, not a lecture series. You'll have to be much more specific.

well you could start by defining all the symbols for me
 
check out "Quantum Field Theory" by L. Ryder. He explains everything you need in section 9.5.
 
ice109 said:

Homework Statement


i've never had a QM class let alone QFT, I've only even had intro physics 1 & 2, but I've been given a problem that is very similar to this:

-ie^3 \int {d^4 q \over (2\pi)^4} \gamma^\mu {i (\gamma^\alpha (r-q)_\alpha + m) \over (r-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\rho {i (\gamma^\beta (p-q)_\beta + m) \over (p-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\nu {-i g_{\mu\nu} \over q^2 + i\epsilon }

understanding the symbols eh?

\gamma^\mu these are gamma matrices from Dirac equation the same greek superscripts or subscripts needed to be sum over.

+i\epsilon is supposedly infinitestimal. it is included in the propagator to avoid the poles when integrating.

q, r-q, p-q etc. are momenta. m is mass of the particle

g^{\mu\nu} is the metric tensor: diag(1,-1,-1,-1) in some convention.
 
ice109 said:

Homework Statement


i've never had a QM class let alone QFT, I've only even had intro physics 1 & 2, but I've been given a problem that is very similar to this:

-ie^3 \int {d^4 q \over (2\pi)^4} \gamma^\mu {i (\gamma^\alpha (r-q)_\alpha + m) \over (r-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\rho {i (\gamma^\beta (p-q)_\beta + m) \over (p-q)^2 - m^2 + i \epsilon} \gamma^\nu {-i g_{\mu\nu} \over q^2 + i\epsilon }

it's obviously not essential i know how to do this for a test or anything, but what can i read to be able to begin to attack this problem? I've the sections from peskin and shroeder on feyman parameters and dimensional regularization but i can't really make sense of those either.

any ideas? I'm going to be talking to one of my professors about it on monday hopefully.


What is the goal of doing this calculation if you haven't even had a QM class?:confused:

If you haven't learned a bit of QFT, the only thing people can do here is to show you how to mechanically do it. But later in the thread, you say that you have already done that and you want to understand what you are doing. But there is no way you can really understand what this is about without a lot of QM and a fair amount of QFT. We would have to cover the equivalent of 4-5 advanced classes before really explaining this calculation.

But it's not clear at what level you want to understand this expression. You would have to be more specific.
Do you know the Feynman diagram associated to this integral? Do you know
what each term corresponds to in the diagram?
 

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