Understanding Fourier Transformations for Beginners

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The discussion revolves around understanding Fourier transformations, particularly their mathematical foundations and practical applications. Participants explore both theoretical concepts and real-world uses, including signal analysis and numerical methods.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about Fourier transformations despite reading various sources, indicating a need for clearer explanations.
  • Another participant provides a definition, explaining that a Fourier transform decomposes a signal in time space into frequency space, illustrating this with the example of music visualizers and sine waves.
  • A participant shares their experience in metrology, describing how Fourier analysis was used to represent and differentiate complex waveforms from surface texture measurements, mentioning the transition from analog to digital methods like DFT and FFT.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of Fourier transforms in numerical methods, particularly in calculating derivatives and performing error analysis related to discretization and the Nyquist limit.
  • A participant notes the extensive literature on the application of FFTs in vibration analysis, emphasizing its foundational role in that field.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best way to explain or understand Fourier transformations, as there are varying levels of familiarity and different contexts presented. Multiple viewpoints and experiences are shared without resolution of the underlying confusion.

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Some participants mention practical applications and historical context, but there is no agreement on a singular approach to understanding Fourier transformations, highlighting the complexity and varied interpretations of the topic.

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This discussion may be useful for beginners seeking to understand Fourier transformations, professionals in fields like metrology and vibration analysis, and those interested in numerical methods and signal processing.

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Can anyone explain the above-i've read about in books, internet sites and still do not understand what its doing or the maths.

Thanks
 
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A Fourier transform decomposes an arbitrary signal in time space to frequency space. Ok ok i know this is the vague textbook definition, but bear with me. imagine any wave you see in your life - for example on a music player visualizer. (Those little waves that jump according to how the music changes.) Fourier said that this complex looking wave can be decomposed into many individual sine waves with different frequencies. In other words, that complicated wave is just many simple looking sine waves added together. A Fourier transform takes the crazy wave and spits out a list of the different frequency sine waves that make it up.
Remember:
A * sin(B *t)
A = magnitude
B = frequency
t indicates time "space"
 
ok i am in wayyyyyy over my head but maybe my input can be of use
before the popularity of the PC, personal computer..not political correct crap we now have
i wss product manager of a metrology product line ,,surface texture measurement, used in industry to qualify a machined surface
back then all we had was a gage head with diamond stylus..the stylus moved up and down relative to the machined surface that it traversed and generated a signal that was output to an analog strip chart recorder..all we had wa a squiggly line on the paper
so how in the world do you describe a squiggly line?

well, Fourier Analysis wa a mathematical represntation of functions as linear combinations of sine ,cosine or complex exponential harmonic components..it defines frequency of the wave
this was not enuff so we looked at DFT or Discrete Fourier Transform - the mathematical calculation of the RMS order of magnitudeof the wave..ie. gives amplitude height
still not enuf to diferentiate one squiggly line from another so we used FFT or Fast Fourier Transformation which gave us a Harmonic Analysis of the line..we could then compare the lines without all the subjective second guessing ...

ther are a whole lot of people on this forum who know way more about this
my point is to show practical use of FFT etc..

good question..!
 
Numerically (think CFD), we like Fourier transforms because we know how to calculate derivatives of sines. Due to discretization, we cannot calculate derivatives of functions that we dont' have enough points per wavelength across (Nyquist limit). This let's us perform error analysis on derivatives and get an idea how much grid we need for a specific problem, what waves we're calculation correctly, and lots of other goodies.
 
One can read for years on the use of FFTs in vibration analysis. It is the backbone.
 

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