Understanding Heart Cancer: Incidence and Impact on the Human Body

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The discussion revolves around the existence and incidence of heart cancer, exploring its rarity compared to other cancers, the types of tumors that can occur in the heart, and the biological characteristics of heart tissue that may contribute to this rarity. The conversation includes both theoretical and conceptual aspects, as well as references to medical literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that heart tumors do exist but are quite rare, with anecdotal evidence from medical professionals suggesting limited encounters with such cases.
  • There is a distinction made between primary tumors (originating in the heart) and secondary tumors (migrating to the heart), with myxomas being generally benign overgrowths of connective tissue.
  • One participant introduces the concept of primary cardiac lymphoma as a rare malignant disease originating from the heart.
  • Questions arise regarding the regenerative capabilities of heart muscle cells and the implications for the incidence of heart cancer.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the mechanisms of heart tissue regeneration and the implications for cancer development.
  • References to various medical literature and resources are shared to provide additional information on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that heart cancer is rare, but there are multiple competing views regarding the biological reasons for this rarity and the nature of heart tumors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of heart tissue regeneration and its relation to cancer incidence.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of terms used, the complexity of heart tissue biology, and the need for further research to clarify the regenerative capabilities of heart cells.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to medical professionals, students in the fields of cardiology and oncology, and individuals seeking to understand the complexities of heart cancer and its biological underpinnings.

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While assessing the various tissues in the human body, I was unable to recall ever having heard of the cardiovascular system being affected by cancer. Does cancer of the heart exist, and what is its incidence relative to other cancers?
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
While assessing the various tissues in the human body, I was unable to recall ever having heard of the cardiovascular system being affected by cancer. Does cancer of the heart exist, and what is its incidence relative to other cancers?

In the more than 30 years that I've worked in the medical field, I've only come across one or two patients with a tumor in the heart, so they do exist, but apparently are quite rare. I'll see if I can come up with more information for you.
 
Another informative piece:
http://www.kaymed.com/medterms_thm.htm
 
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One last one. These ought to keep you busy for a while.
http://www.cancer.org/downloads/PUB/DOCS/SECTION28/91.pdf
 
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Tsunami,

A wealth of information. I am especially sorry for children affected by disease, thankfully in these cases a rare occurrence.

Briefly, a primary tumor here is one that has originated in the heart, and a secondary tumor is one that has migrated to the heart? Is a myxoma necessarily a cancerous heart tumor?

As to the last reference, "the first human primary cardiac tumor was reported by Columbus in 1559...". I thought Columbus discovered the Tropic of Cancer in 1492!
 
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Tsunami,

A wealth of information. I am especially sorry for children affected by disease, thankfully in these cases a rare occurrence.
Me, too. I have such a HUGE respect for Pediatric health care workers. I did mobile CT at Children's hospital in Oakland for only six weeks before I was crying (literally) for a replacement.

Briefly, a primary tumor here is one that has originated in the heart, and a secondary tumor is one that has migrated to the heart? Correct. Is a myxoma necessarily a cancerous heart tumor?
No, in fact, they are generally benign (noncancerous). They are mostly just an overgrowth of connective tissue - usually in the upper chambers of the heart (rt. or lt. atrium). The only effective treatment, however, is surgical intervention. If allowed to continue to grow, it would eventually severely compromise the blood flow within the heart.

As to the last reference, "the first human primary cardiac tumor was reported by Columbus in 1559...". I thought Columbus discovered the Tropic of Cancer in 1492!
 
One must need skill and experience to read those images correctly.
 
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One must need skill and experience to read those images correctly.
That's why God made Radiologists! :wink:
 
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Is "radiologist" synonymous with "mutant"?
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
Is "radiologist" synonymous with "mutant"?
I've known a few that might fit that category...
 
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Don't know if this was mentioned but there is something called primary cardiac lymphoma, a rare and malignant disease (similar to a non hodgkin's lymphoma) but arisng from the heart as a primary rather than secondary source.
 
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Would that be from the endothelial/smooth muscle cells of the heartvessels, or is it the muscle cells from the heart itself? Do the heart muscle cells divide? That's why it must be so rare..
 
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Do the heart muscle cells divide? That's why it must be so rare.
That's the crux of this thread, I believe.
 
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Well, it amazes me that the single most used tissue of the body, under oxidative stress all the time, would not regenerate..
 
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Do smooth muscle cells devote themselves to constant activity in lieu of enabling regeneration? What then allows the ontogeny of organs consisting of smooth muscle?
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
That's the crux of this thread, I believe.

Not sure about the primary cardiac lymphoma but the accepted paradigm considers the adult heart as a postmitotic organ, which possesses a relatively constant number of myocytes from shortly after birth to adulthood is now being questioned in the field of cardiology and physiology. Especially since we see cardiac remodeling and amazing recovery after large myocardial infarctions (mostly with the advent of adding ACE (angiotentsion converting enzyme) inhibitors to post MI patients are we seeing a lot of this) This notion is questioned by those who demonstrate that although most adult myocytes are terminally differentiated, there is a small and continuously renewed subpopulation of cycling myocytes produced by the differentiation of cardiac stem-like cells.

This postulated inability of the myocardium to form new myocytes starting in the early postnatal period has straightjacketed and limited cardiovascular research in conceptually significant ways.

There is more and more research that is upsetting or seriously questioning this old paradigm .
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
Do smooth muscle cells devote themselves to constant activity in lieu of enabling regeneration? What then allows the ontogeny of organs consisting of smooth muscle?
The heart is no made up of smooth muscle cells, but in the lining of vessels there are (not sure if that means the inner lining of the heart too).
 
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Hi all,


Ok so cancer of the heart is quite rare but does anyone know why it it is more rare than cancer of other organs?


Thanks

Charles
 

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