Understanding How 1ppm Equals 1mg/L

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The discussion revolves around the equivalence of 1 ppm to 1 mg/L, exploring the derivation and implications of this relationship in the context of solutions, particularly water-based solutions. Participants examine the assumptions related to density and the definitions of ppm in various contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that 1 ppm equals 1 mg/L, seeking clarification on the derivation of this equivalence.
  • Another participant notes that this equivalence holds true for fluids with a standard density of 1 g/mL, where a liter weighs 1000 grams.
  • Some participants argue that while 1 g/mL is a good approximation for many water solutions, it may not apply universally, citing examples of other solutions with different densities.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of ppm, indicating it can represent various ratios, not limited to weight/weight, and cautioning against misinterpretation in different contexts.
  • A participant attempts to convert a specific concentration into ppm, leading to a clarification that 0.002 mg/g is equivalent to 1 ppb, not 1 ppm.
  • Questions arise regarding the use of water density to relate milliliters to grams and cubic meters, with some participants expressing confusion over the calculations involved.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of a calculation involving density and unit conversions, emphasizing the need for proper unit consistency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions underlying the equivalence of 1 ppm and 1 mg/L, particularly regarding the density of solutions. There is no consensus on the derivation or the application of these concepts across different scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the density of the solution being discussed, as well as the potential for confusion when interpreting ppm in different contexts (e.g., weight/weight vs. volume/volume). Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in unit conversions.

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Homework Statement



I know for a fact that ##1ppm = 1\frac{mg}{L}## , but frankly I don't understand how that is derived. If someone can show me how, I would really appreciate it!

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It would only be true for fluids with standard density where a liter weighs 1000 grams.

In that case 1 gram dissolved in a liter would be one part per thousand by mass.

And one milligram in a liter would be one thousandth of that, namely one part per million.
 
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marcus said:
It would only be true for fluids with standard density where a liter weighs 1000 grams.

I wouldn't call them "standard density" (or at least, I have never seen 1 g/mL referred to as such).

1 g/mL is a good approximation of the density of most water solutions. Seawater has a density around 1.025 g/mL, and it already contains plenty of dissolved salts. As most solutions we deal with are moderately concentrated water solutions, this approximation (1 g/mL) is quite universal.

Even for concentrated solutions (or even liquids that don't contain water) we rarely get really far from 1 g/mL. Pure sulfuric acid gets up to 1.84 g/mL, concentrated ammonia down to 0.86 g/mL, so we are never far from the approximation 1 ppm = 1 mg/L.
 
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So is that just the definition of ppm and there is no derivation?
 
1 ppm by definition means a ratio - of 1 something per million of something (but the definition doesn't say ratio of what). It can be 1 gram per 1000000 grams (which is equivalent of 1 mg/1 kg), it can be 1 mL/1 cubic meter, it can be even 1 atom per 106 atoms. Assuming it is weight/weight ratio and we are talking about water solutions of density close to 1 g/mL it can be easily shown that 1 ppm is equivalent to 1 mg/1 L.

In most cases, when there is additional information ppm means weight/weight - but it is not guaranteed. I believe I have read about someone running into serious problems after misreading gas contamination levels listed in ppm as w/w instead of v/v (or vice versa).
 
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Oh I see.

So for ##\frac{mg/L} = \frac{g}{10^3 \cdot 10^3 g} =\frac{g}{10^6 g} =ppm## assuming the density is: ##1000=\frac{Mass}{1 L} ##.
 
Your LaTeX is broken to the point it is hard to make sense out of it, but in general it is not difficult to convert units and show why ppm and mg/L are equivalent.
 
Ok, as an example , is this how you would convert the following into ppm

0.002 mg/g = 0.002 mg/ L ( given 1000g/L = mass/Volume) = 0.002 ppm ?
 
No, because 1 g is not equivalent to 1 liter. 0.002 mg/L is 1 ppb, not 1 ppm.

If anything, 0.002 mg/g is equivalent to 0.002 mg/1 mL.
 
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Are we using the density of water to determine the relation ships between ml and grams , L and m^3 etc? Because I don't see how they are equal.

But for 0.002 mg/g = 0. 000 002 g/g = 0. 000 002 = x ppm/10^6 : x= 2ppm ?
 
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sakonpure6 said:
Are we using the density of water to determine the relation ships between ml and grams

All the time, from the very first post. 1 L of water weighs 1 kg (or 1000 g), that's almost the definition of the density.
 
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Oh okay, so how about m^3?
 
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You don't know how to calculate mass of a cubic meter, knowing the density is 1 g/mL?
 
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I don't see it...

## \frac{1g}{1ml} = \frac{unknown \, mass}{1m^3} \implies unknown \, mass = \frac{1g}{10^{-3} \cdot 1000g} \cdot m^3 = 1 ? ##
 
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sakonpure6 said:
## \frac{1g}{1ml} = \frac{unknown \, mass}{1m^3} \implies unknown \, mass = \frac{1g}{10^{-3} \cdot 1000g} \cdot m^3 = 1 ? ##

I am afraid nothing is correct here. While the first part correctly refers to the fact density is a ratio of mass and volume it incorrectly assumes it is numerically identical no matter what kind of units are used. Then you are throwing in a bunch of conversion factors and scramble units.

By definition density is d=m/V, you know the density (1 g/mL) and the volume (1 m3). You need to convert the units so that you don't mix mL and m3. Then you just solve d=m/V for m and plug the numbers.
 

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