Understanding Hyperbolas: When Objects Move Horizontally

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The discussion revolves around the concept of hyperbolas in the context of object motion, particularly when objects are thrown horizontally. Participants explore the relationship between hyperbolas and parabolas, the definitions of these curves in mathematics versus their physical implications, and the conditions under which hyperbolic trajectories may occur.

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  • Some participants assert that parabolas and hyperbolas are defined by their mathematical shapes as conic sections, rather than by physical trajectories.
  • One participant questions the existence of a terrestrial situation that results in a hyperbolic trajectory, suggesting that hyperbolic orbits are common for bodies traveling faster than escape velocity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that gravity acts continuously on an object, regardless of whether it is thrown horizontally or dropped, leading to the same vertical distance covered over time.
  • A participant proposes that if an object, such as a bullet, is fired at a speed exceeding Earth's escape velocity, it would follow a hyperbolic trajectory, assuming air resistance is negligible.
  • There is a suggestion that the trajectory of an object may depend on its initial conditions and the net forces acting on it throughout its motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and physical interpretations of hyperbolas and parabolas. There is no consensus on how to define hyperbolic trajectories in terrestrial contexts, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between these curves and the forces acting on objects.

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Some claims rely on specific assumptions about forces and initial conditions, and the discussion highlights the complexity of defining trajectories based on varying physical scenarios.

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when an object is thrown horizontally ,after some time when the effect of the applied force is less than the effect of gravity then it changes its path and bends towards the Earth and the path is called a parabola ,then in the same sense how can we define hyperbola?
 
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Parabola and hyperbola are defined by their mathematical shape, not by physical trajectories. They are both conic sections.
 
Why do you think there is a similar description for a hyperbola? I am not aware of any , though this of course does not mean there isn't one. But you can consider the physical aspects of parabolic mirrors/antennas and their reflecting properties.
 
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thecosmos123456 said:
when an object is thrown horizontally ,after some time when the effect of the applied force is less than the effect of gravity then it changes its path and bends towards the Earth and the path is called a parabola ,then in the same sense how can we define hyperbola?
I don't know if there is a terrestrial situation which results in a hyperbolic trajectory, but it is common to find hyperbolic orbits for bodies which are traveling faster than the escape velocity of the orbited body.

It's called an escape, or hyperbolic, trajectory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_trajectory
 
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thecosmos123456 said:
when an object is thrown horizontally ,after some time when the effect of the applied force is less than the effect of gravity then it changes its path and bends towards the Earth and the path is called a parabola ,then in the same sense how can we define hyperbola?
You're misunderstanding things here. Gravity doesn't act "after some time." If the object is thrown, the only force (and hence, the only acceleration) on the object is that due to gravity. If one object is dropped straight down, and another object is thrown horizontally, both object will cover the same vertical distance in the same amount of time.
 
If you could fire a bullet from a gun at about 25,100 mph (i.e. more than Earth's escape velocity which is 10x faster than bullets actually travel) and ignore air resistance, the bullet will follow (part of) an hyperbola.
 
The trajectory may depend on the object's initial condition and the net force it has during the whole process. The star's gravitation can make a hyperbola trajectory but it's not the way to define it.
 

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