Understanding Intensity of Plane SHW in 1D, 2D, and 3D

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the intensity of plane progressive simple harmonic waves (SHW) in one, two, and three dimensions. Participants explore the relationship between intensity, amplitude, and the propagation of waves in different dimensional contexts, including theoretical derivations and assumptions involved in these relationships.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how intensity, defined as energy per area, applies to 1D, 2D, and 3D waves, suggesting that amplitude should follow an inverse distance or square law.
  • Another participant agrees that amplitude decreases with distance due to conservation of energy, using radio signals as an example.
  • A participant seeks to derive the expression for amplitude from a point source, indicating a desire for a mathematical approach.
  • One reply suggests starting with the relationship between intensity and power, hinting at the conservation of power in deriving intensity at different distances.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about applying the 1D intensity-amplitude relationship to higher dimensions without additional assumptions.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions needed for derivations, particularly regarding the inverse square law and its applicability to different wavefront shapes.
  • A participant inquires about the average intensity of a spherical wave over time and proposes a connection between spherical wave amplitude and wave motion in a string with varying density.
  • Another question is posed regarding the constancy of energy in a small part of the string for a wave with constant power input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of 1D wave relationships to higher dimensions, with some suggesting that additional assumptions are necessary. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific derivations and relationships between intensity and amplitude in various dimensional contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for assumptions in deriving relationships, particularly concerning the nature of wavefronts and the conditions under which certain laws, like the inverse square law, apply. There is also uncertainty about the average energy distribution in wave motion.

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I am in eleventh standard , In my book it is given about the plane progressive simple harmonic wave , later somewhere is mentioned about
intensity of wave

what my doubt is
intensity is defined as energy/area
but what about waves in 2d or 1d
plane SHW are 1d as wave progresses in x-axis

how to about for waves in 2d or 3d
surely their amplitude must follow inverse distance or square law?
 
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Well, if I understand your question correctly, then the answer is yes. For 2-D and 3-D waves, as they spread over farther and farther distances, their amplitudes must decrease because of conservation of energy. In fact, this is why a radio signal gets weaker as you move away from the source of the signal.

Is this what you are asking about?
 
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but how to derive expression for the amplitude of such waves (suppose source is point object)
 
This may possibly be a homework question, so I can't give you a full derivation, but maybe I can set you off on the right path and you can derive it yourself.

Start with a spherical wave from a point source, which has an intensity [tex]I_o[/tex] at a distance [tex]r_o[/tex] from the source.

Now, remember that: [tex]I=P/A[/tex] where P is power and A is area of the surface the wave is on. Since energy is conserved, power must also be conserved, so we have:

[tex]I_o=P/A_0[/tex] and [tex]I_1=P/A_1[/tex] where I_1 is the intensity at some farther point r_1. Now, can you use these equations and the expressions for the surface areas of the surfaces at r_1 and r_2, to find the ratio of I_1 to I_o? If you can, then how do you relate amplitude to intensity?
 
i =constant * amplitude square
still I don't think one could go that easily
relation between amplitude and intensity is derived in book and other books at my standard using 1 D wave motion , how can we say that that remains true for all dimensions
2,3

i already have thought of something ,but can you tell whether
average energy passing through a point in any wave motion is always half the max. passing through it when its phase=0,2pi etc;
 
sadhu said:
i =constant * amplitude square
still I don't think one could go that easily
relation between amplitude and intensity is derived in book and other books at my standard using 1 D wave motion , how can we say that that remains true for all dimensions
2,3
You can't, you need to make additional assumptions to make the derivation.

For example, the inverse square law assumes a source with spherical wavefronts. You can't apply the inverse square law to laser beams.

Claude.
 
can you please tell the average intensity of a spherical wave with respect to time
i.e when one complete wave pass through that point in time T

one more thing
can,t we suppose spherical wave amplitude as the amplitude of wave passing through the string in which density is directly proportional to distance square.

and
is it that that for a constant power input for a wave at origin in string waves,
energy present in a single particle (infinitely small part of string) is constant through out the string.
 

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