Understanding Math Signs in Detailed Proof

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of mathematical signs in a detailed proof related to the Cartesian product and its application in defining a compact cylinder. Participants seek clarification on specific symbols and their meanings within the context of the proof.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an explanation of the mathematical signs in the first line of the detailed proof.
  • Another participant identifies a line that indicates closed unit balls as closed intervals.
  • There is a discussion about a symbol that resembles the cross product, with one participant questioning how it relates to a cylinder.
  • A participant clarifies that the symbol in question represents the Cartesian product of two sets, providing a definition for it.
  • Another participant shares an example of the Cartesian product using a deck of cards to illustrate the concept.
  • One participant explains that the Cartesian product can describe a cylinder in a general sense, using the example of a circle in the xy-plane crossed with the z-axis to illustrate this idea.
  • There is a query about the variable 't' in relation to dimensions and how it relates to the definition of a cylinder.
  • A participant suggests that the Cartesian product in this context results in a rectangle in the ty-plane and discusses the notation used in the proof.
  • Another participant mentions that for continuous functions and a closed region, the supremum of a function is equivalent to its maximum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the mathematical signs and their implications, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the meanings or applications of the symbols in question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of the mathematical symbols used in the proof, particularly in relation to the Cartesian product and its geometric interpretations.

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I was wondering if anyone could explain the mathematic signs in the first line in detailed proof
in the link here. What do this mathemathical sentence mean sign by sign?

http://bildr.no/view/1002076
 
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You mean the line where he indicates that the closed unit balls in this case are just closed intervals?
 
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The mathematical signs in dotted area here between: Let ... be the compact cylinder where f is defined this is


Which is just below the header detailed proof. It looks like the sign for cross product to me but how does that make a cylinder?
 
georg gill said:
The mathematical signs in dotted area here between: Let ... be the compact cylinder where f is defined this is


Which is just below the header detailed proof. It looks like the sign for cross product to me but how does that make a cylinder?

That is the symbol for the Cartesian Product of the two sets. The Cartesian product of A and B is:

A x B = {(a,b): a ε A and b ε B}
 
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I have read some about the cartesian product with a deck of cards as example which has 13 different cardvalues and 4 different colors which make a deck of cards have cartesian product equal 52.

But how can a cartesian product descripe a cylinder?
 
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I have read some about the cartesian product with a deck of cards as example which has 13 different cardvalues and 4 different colors which make a deck of cards have cartesian product equal 52.

But how can a cartesian product descripe a cylinder?

It is using cylinder in a more general sense than a common circular cylinder. If you take a circle in the xy plane and take its Cartesian product with the z axis you get a what anyone would call a cylinder. But you can take any region, such as a square in the xy plane and cross it with the z axis. You get an infinitely long square cross section block. Just as you would call the surface of that block a cylindrical surface, you would also call the block itself a cylinder. It just isn't round.
 
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This is the whole proof

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picard–Lindelöf_theorem#Detailed_proof

I wonder is t who is the variable for I a parameter for two dimensions (thoose two dimensions one could call that x and y-axis?) where as y is a variable for B which makes the third dimensions (one could call that one z-axis)

and does the points of I make a circle and B make a line on the z-axis to make the points on the surface of a cylinder?

And what does M=sup||f|| mean?
 
Think of a t-y plane instead of xy plane. You are looking for a solution of the DE with y(t0)= y0. Ia is just the closure of the open interval of length 2a about t0: [itex]I_a=\overline{(t_0-a,t_0+a)}= [t_0-a,t_0+a][/itex].

Simarly, Bb is the closure of an interval of length 2b about y0 on the y axis: [itex]B_b=\overline{(y_0-b,y_0+b)}= [y_0-b,y_0+b][/itex]. Your picture looks like this:

picard.jpg


Your Cartesian product in this case is just a rectangle in the ty plane. What is confusing you is that the author is writing it in a more general notation to use the general Banach Fixed Point Theorem.

For continuous functions and a closed region, the sup of a function is the same thing as its maximum.
 
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