Understanding Mathematical Induction: Explanation and Tips for Proof Techniques

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The discussion revolves around understanding mathematical induction, a proof technique used in mathematics. Participants explore the concept of induction, including the basis step, the induction step, and the induction hypothesis. The conversation includes questions about the methods of proving statements using induction and the reasoning behind these methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to prove the induction step, particularly regarding the addition of (k+1) and the simplification process.
  • Another participant explains the logic of induction, emphasizing the importance of the induction hypothesis and how it connects S(k) to S(k+1).
  • A different participant critiques the focus on specific examples, suggesting that induction can be applied to various problems beyond simple sums.
  • There is a reiteration of the definition of the induction hypothesis as the assumption that S(k) is true to prove S(k+1).
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether to add k+1 to both sides or substitute k+1 for k in the equation during the inductive step.
  • Another participant responds to the confusion by stating that simply replacing k with k+1 is insufficient; one must demonstrate how the formula with k leads to the formula with k+1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the application of mathematical induction. There is no consensus on the best approach to proving statements in the inductive step, as different methods and interpretations are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to think critically about how the statement for k relates to the statement for k+1, indicating that the approach may depend on the specific problem being addressed.

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Okay i need some help understanding what induction is..I know that for some open statement you must prove thatif the smallest element in the set is true... every element in that universe is true... I know that you use the basis step for the smallest element. and for the induction step you must prove that if s(k) is true . you must prove that s(k+1) is true. But what i don't understand is how would i prove that? like i see some statements and for the induction step.
they add (k+1) to the statement and then just simplify it. but how does that prove that the statement is true? is there any other method than just adding (k+1)?

edit: Also ... i keep seeing something called the induction hypothesis... can anyone explain it without making it too confusing?
 
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Basically, the Logic of Induction is as follows.

First, we must prove a primary case, usually s(1), or if n is the variable, the case where n=1.

Now, we ASSUME that there is some case, n=k, where S(k) is true. This assumption here is called the Induction Hypothesis.

Then we consider case S(k+1), and manipulate it until we see a form of our hypothesis again. We continue, assuming the S(k) is true, to show that then it must follow that S(k+1) is also true.

Basically what we just did with that working was show that, IF there is some case where S(k) then S(k+1) *must* be true.

And since we showed n=1 is true to start with, by the same logic, n=2 *must* be true, and then also n=3, ...and all positive integers n. Thats basically how it usually goes.
 
You seem to only be looking at garbage examples
like prove the sum of the first n positve integers is n(n+1)/2
initial case
1=1(2)/2
inductive step
n(n+1)/2+n+1=n(n+1)/2+2(n+1)/2=(n+2)(n+1)/2
qed

Induction can also be used for problems other than sums
so given some initial statement P0 know to be true and a sequence of statements
P0,P1,..
all statements are true if anytime P is a true statement of the sequence and EP is the next statement it is also true.

The induction hypothesis is the statement which must be verified that EP is true if P is

The idea of induction is that the truth of any statement of the universe is reducible to the truth of one obvious statement. Rather than directly proving each statement (or a generalization including each) we show that each is reducible and prove the single (or several) obvious statements.
 
VanKwisH said:
Okay i need some help understanding what induction is..I know that for some open statement you must prove thatif the smallest element in the set is true... every element in that universe is true... I know that you use the basis step for the smallest element. and for the induction step you must prove that if s(k) is true . you must prove that s(k+1) is true. But what i don't understand is how would i prove that? like i see some statements and for the induction step.
they add (k+1) to the statement and then just simplify it. but how does that prove that the statement is true? is there any other method than just adding (k+1)?
It doesn't, unless the statement in question happens to involve a sum from one to n. Then the "k+1" statement is just the "k" statement plus the next term.

edit: Also ... i keep seeing something called the induction hypothesis... can anyone explain it without making it too confusing?
Yes, the "induction hypothesis" is just the hypothesis that the statement is true for n= k. You need to use that to prove the statement is true for n= k+1.
HOW you do that depends on the statement! You are allowed to assume the statement is true for n= k (the "induction hypothesis") and then use that to get to the statement is true for n= k+1. You need to THINK about what the statement is and how its statement for one number is connected to the next number.
 
hmmm i kinda understand it...
but 1 more thing...
for the inductive step, do i add k+1 to both sides?? or do i substitute k+1 for k in the right side of the equation? or would i substitute k+1 to the right side and then add k+1 to both sides?? because I've seen all these situations done in my examples and it doesn't seem to make sense when/how i should answer my exercise questions
 
You "kinda" understand it? You asked before "do I add k+1 to both sides" and were told three times "NO"! It also has nothing to do with "right side" or "left side" of any equation- you have to THINK about how "k" appears in the problem and decide how to go from "k" to "k+1" in that particular problem. You are basically replacing k by k+1 to see how the new formula should work but just replacing it is not enough- you have to show that the formula with k implies the formula with k+1.
 

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