Understanding Motion in a Pulley System

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a pulley system with a smooth ring and a block, exploring the relationship between their velocities and accelerations as the system is released from rest. It focuses on the dynamics of motion and the application of Newton's equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the velocities of the ring and the block, with some attempting to derive the equations based on small displacements and the geometry of the system. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the diagram and the assumptions made about the lengths involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the velocities of the ring and the block, while others express confusion about specific steps in the reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the best approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is from a textbook and mention that the provided solution is complex. There is also a reference to the need for a diagram that has not yet been approved, which may affect understanding.

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Homework Statement



A smooth ring A of mass m can slide on a fixed horizontal rod. A string tied to the ring passes over a fixed pulley B and carries a block C of Mass M (=2m) as shown in the given figure. At a instant at the string between the ring and the pulley makes an angle [tex]\theta[/tex] with the rod, (a)Show that, if the ring slides with a speed v, the block descends with speed v cos[tex]\theta[/tex]. (b) With what acceleration will the ring start moving if the system is released from rest with [tex]\theta=~30^\circ[/tex]?

Homework Equations



Newtons Equations, free body diagram

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, this question happens to be from a textbook. And its a solved one too.. The solution which they have given is quite complicated! I thought I'd get a brief explanation of "why and how" over it, and yes an alternative method would be highly appreciated!

The solution, is like this (as given in the book),

Suppose in a small time interval [tex]\delta t[/tex] the ring is displaced from A to A' and the block from C to C'. Drop a perpendicular A'P from A' to AB. For small displacements A'B~ PB (I didnt get this!), since the length is constant (?), we have,
AB+BC= A'B+BC'
AP+PB+BC=A'B+BC'
AP=BC'-BC=CC' (as A'B=PB)

AA'[tex]cos\theta[/tex]= CC'

or [tex]\frac{AA'cos\theta}{\delta t}=~\frac{CC'}{\delta t}[/tex]

Therefor, (velocity of the ring)[tex]cos\theta[/tex]= (velocity of the block)Please help :cry:
 

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When the ring moves with a velocity v horizontally, its component along the string is v*cos(theta). Since the length of string between the ring and block is costant, the velocity of the block is equal to v*cos(theta).
 
Well, did you have a look at the diagram? It hasnt been approved yet..
 

Suppose in a small time interval LaTeX Code: \\delta t the ring is displaced from A to A' and the block from C to C'. Drop a perpendicular A'P from A' to AB. For small displacements A'B~ PB (I didnt get this!), since the length is constant (?), we have,

When A and A(dash) are very close, AB and A(dash)B are nearly equal. If you take BA(dash) equal to BP, AP becomes A*A(dash)cos(theta) and A*A(dash)/t = velocity. The length of the string is ABC = A(dash)BC(dash)
 
okay, that's fine with me, I've several more problems over the free body diagrams! I'll post it in mean time! Thank You!
 

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